what the hell you are talking about?impossible?and i keep mentioning other sports to prove athletes have proven that they are faster,stronger and better conditioned than early 1900's. and you keep denying that FACT.and all you say that boxing is different,yes it's different than running or anything.i'm only proving FACT'S that in every other sport athletes are different animals than before. and i'm only saying that floyd could win the opponents in SRR run at WW. until that point when SRR started losing.so don't act that i think like that. and you also keep ignoring the fact's that if floyd would fight 100times,there would be many opponents also for floyd who have been in tear and fighting over 100 times..why you think that floyd who is superior boxer,can adapt to anystyle.live healthy life is best conditioned athlete in boxing,would have problems fighting like SRR? you keep also mentioning that floyd only does training camps that only last 8weeks,do you happen to know if floyd would fight once a month that would indeed be impossible.why in the earth floyd would be training everyday and preparing for fight if he only fights 2 times a year.that sounds like a ****** plan. Do you think now when we know more about human body,can train more effiecently and have access to better knowledge of proper nutrionicism that it would be impossible to human race archieve thinks what boxers did in early 1900's?
And you think la motta etc.. Was in peak condition always when fighting SRR?you think that floyd would be te only one who was fighting often?yes then i think it would be impossible fighting once a month,if floyd opponent had always 3month training camp.but i bet SRR fought opponents that didn't go trough that.
What a joke of a post! Again, just a generalisation with no substance. A training camp today is more abusing than a 10-15 round fight against a pro fighter? Ha! Ok. So let me get this straight. Floyd's pre fight camp, is harder than fighting THREE pro fighters over 10-15 rounds, within the same time frame? A camp ages a fighter more than a fight? Floyd's had 45 camps. Ray fought 200 times. Let me ask you this. Do you think if Floyd fought 200 times, into his 40's, that he'd remain undefeated?
Guys that had no business at middle : Tito Trinidad ,Oscar Delahoya and now Floyd Mayweather ! I think its foolish to ask him to keep going up when he's not suited for that weight !
jonze86, You haven't proved anything. Stop talking about other sports. Just because Usain Bolt is the fastest man ever, it doesn't mean that today's fighters are better. How much boxing do you watch? Because a lot of today's guys gas early, and they would struggle if fights were still 15 rounders. So who says that they're better conditioned? Floyd started out at a lower weight. But you can't say that Floyd could have beaten everyone who Ray did at WW. I've no doubt that he could have in a one off fight, but how about using the exact same timeline? We don't know how Floyd would have done fighting 40 times, in just over 2 years. Possibly. Some of his opponents may have had more fights, but they may have had less fights. I've mentioned that Ray Robison had had many more fights than La Motta. It's you who's assuming that Floyd would just breeze through Ray's record, beating the likes of La Motta. But again, we don't know what condition Floyd would have been in, fighting up to 200 times in a career. It's more than possible that he'd drop a few decisions to inferior opposition. Times have changed. Boxers didn't have 3 month camps in Robinson's day. But we know that Floyd is now 36, he's fought 45 times, and he has to see a hand specialist, and ice his hands on a regular basis. So what condition would he be in now, if he'd fought over 150 fights? If fighters today stayed in shape all year round, and trained for 2-3 weeks before fighting, and then repeated that up to 20 times per year, nobody would go undefeated like Floyd.
i'm saying almost every sport record have evolved in time.5000m,pole vault,shot put,swimming,lifting etc..those records are broken from1950's. how you can argue about that?when many or almost every person who watch sports agree that atheletes have evolved.how you can argue about that?10000m world record was almost 30min now under 27 etc..go see all the sporting records from 1900-1950 and list me those what are still on.i'm happy to hear and prove me wrong and how much you have seen boxing from 1950's you pretend that every boxer almost can go balls to the walls 15rounds?how many club level fights you have seen,how much there is videos about that?not afwully much..it's easy to look a clublevel fighter and trash him and then be in awe of great old boxers who show superb condition.there is not million of hours video material of boxing so early on. and now i'm finished about this subject there is nothing to chance eachothers mind about this.old warriors were great!i'm only sad that many people absolutely dismiss modern greats and think floyd etc.. superb boxers couldn't be as good as old timers.100years from this on according to some is probably impossible to even mentioned as same breath as floyd. and when natural LW is kicking ass in WW and is still undefeated,is really hard to say.hey it's impossible to you do that,haters will hate.i'm prettu sure people move floyd higher in rankings about 10-20years after he retired.it have been happened before and it will happdn again.
Funny they both fought as Featherweights in the amateurs. So in the beginning they were the same size which is a good indicator of natural size. In Robinson's day there were not so many weight classes.
It was hard for fighters to stay in peak condition in that sort of environment. That's what I'm trying to point out to you. You said, you didn't think a guy like La Motta could beat Floyd. But I'm trying to point out to you, that Floyd could have lost to inferior fighters like Ray did. Floyd could lose to guys like Amir Khan, if he was fighting 10-15 round fights, up to once per month, and he fought 200 times, into his 40's. It would happen to anybody throughout history.
jonze86, I'm not arguing about the records that have been broken. I'm saying they've no relevance to boxing. So what if athletes have evolved in athletics? How does that apply to a fighters skill set? You say that man is now bigger and stronger than before. But that doesn't mean that today's boxers have more skills than their predecessors. Boxing is a scientific art. It is the sweet science. Footwork, balance, timing etc. Go and give Usain Bolt a pair of boxing gloves, and let him try and master the art. He could train everyday for years and years, and get his ass kicked by an amateur. Boxing is an art. Sports science can only take a guy so far. Many of today's best fighters, would lose to their predecessors. I've watched a lot of fights, and fighters of the past seemed to be better conditioned than a lot of today's fighters. Floyd's great. But many people overrate his abilities, and dismiss the older fighters, because they haven't seen much of them. Floyd brings a lot of the heat to his own door, with how he conducts himself. Floyd is a great fighter. But we've never seen him beat a prime ATG, and we've seen him have a hard time with Castillo, and a passed his best Oscar. We also know that the Pac fight was never made, and he wouldn't fight Canelo at 154. We know about his mindset. We know how he carries himself. He can't be held in the same regard as someone like Ray Leonard in my opinion. But again, he's an ATG, and a fantastic fighter.