Lomachenko = epic fail in pro's

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  1. mani0

    mani0 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He looked good but the guy he was fighting looked like a bantamweight.
     
  2. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    Perhaps a look at Rigos first two opponents of a similar level:

    http://rutube.ru/video/d64a6c955a7fea975f09ae7cf6f199a4/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCEN-BFVfM&hd=1

    Boxing is what it is. Rigo looked hyper-slick against Donaire mainly cos expectations were so high on Donaire and his style gave Rigo a chance to shine. He doesn't always look so great. The above two fights are opponents of roughly the level Loma fought (and destroyed in 4).
     
  3. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who has Gary Russel Jr beat to earn a shot at Lomachenko?:rofl
     
  4. oldtimer

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    This was the first time I had ever seen Lomachenko fight. I had heard quite a bit of hype about him on here and other forum's though.
    Have to say I thought he was sensational. Given the performance and the level of opposition it was probably the best pro debut I have ever seen. I will be very surprised if he does not go on to become a real star. There are many great fighters in and around his division. Personally I would prefer to see him in with a few more B+ level guys before he tackles the elite, but no doubt he has the tools to be competative with anyone.
     
  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    If you want to see a queering fraud who's also unknown, look at the mirror.
     
  6. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    i actually do not but you watch rigo fight even before donaire and you could see INCREDIBLE footwork, very direct punching and movement.. i see good footwork from lomenchenko but he just does not look like the technician rigo is
     
  7. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Some people here had given him already ATG-status, just of his amateur credentials.

    I think he showed a good performance considering his opponents record and this being his pro debut.

    However i wasn´t too impressed with Lomachenko.

    First of all, eventhough Ramirez had a good record, he was clearly smaller than Lomachenko and it didn´t look as if they belong into the same weight division. I remember Koki Kamed looking sensational in his first fights against considerably smaller opposition with good records (Sorjaturong, Arambulet). But when he started to fight guys his own size and weight he had a lot of problems and was in need of judges help.

    As for Lomachenko, he has great handspeed and his footwork seems really good, however he uses a lot of unnecessary movement, that´s something i noticed in some amateur and WSB-bouts too. Now that would not pay off bad for him in a 4 rounder, but when he´s fighting the elite in a 12 rounder, it could cost him in the stamina department. I think it´s a bad habit.

    Now what made me wonder the most about last saturday, was his defence. Now you can say, he quickly realized that Ramirez could not hurt him with his power, but the many times Ramirez was able to land on him, i really was surprised. That isn´t something i expect from a future P4P No. 1.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Fight night weights:

    Lomachenko - 129 lbs

    Ramirez - 135 lbs

    Ramirez has fought above 130 lbs (weigh in) at least 13 times and he's even weighed in as high as 137¾ lbs on the scales too.
     
  9. Zaryu

    Zaryu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's funny. I had only heard of Lomachenko before his pro debut and I wasn't terribly excited to see him fight. But that has been the most impressive pro debut I have seen. I'm definitely a fan! We also need to keep in mind he is still 25, unlike Rigo who's already in his thirties.
     
  10. Europeans cleaned the divisions where the huge guys fight, now they take over the small guys playground. Deal with it.
     
  11. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OK, i didn´t look for their weights, now that does surprise me, that Ramirez was the heavier of the two, he looked considerably smaller. Thanks for the info.
     
  12. ikeabuchia

    ikeabuchia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let me see when he has to dig deep with the elite. to see what he is made off. before i pass judgement nif I havent already
     
  13. Rob

    Rob Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you think hes nothing special in the first place then why is it an epic fail?
     
  14. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    re: the size issue

    It's also something to consider in case of a possible matchup that Rigo is 5'4 1/2 and a natural 122. As Serge pointed out, Ramirez is a bigger fighter than that, and Lomachenko looked like the bigger, longer fighter even with Ramirez's weight advantage.

    Should the two face off in the ring, Lomachenko would appear to have a noticeable reach advantage as well as being the larger man and conceding no speed. Rigo would have to use every ounce of the experience edge he's got if he's to overcome that.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No worries.

    My biggest concern with Lomachenko is his lack of size fighting at 126 lbs. A lot of these featherweights are coming in much heavier than he did against Ramirez and that could work against him when he steps up to the elite level. Fighters like Garcia and Salido weigh about 140 lbs on fight night. To be honest I see no reason why he couldn't drop down a division if he's only coming in 3 lbs above the division limit.