Best Jab in boxing? Ward, Cotto, Floyd, Wlad?

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  1. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad has a great jab, but that may be emphasized because he is 6'6. Would be interesting to have seen him against someone like Lennox prime and see who gets the edge in jabbing contest.

    Wards jab really impressed me, perfect timing, sudden burst of speed and it looked like a right hand landed each time.
     
  2. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    Wlad does not belong in this conversation..
     
  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Actually, Vlad has been 6 feet 7 inches tall since he was an amateur. HBO said that Vlad was only 6 feet 5 inches tall until Vlad stood face to face with Bostice who is 6 feet 5 inches tall. Lampley said that Vlad looked to be, at least, 2 inches taller than Bostice, this was on HBO MSG, NY, USA. Vlad was also taller than the 6 foot 6 inch Derrick Jefferson, taller than 6 foot 6 inch Austin, McCline, etc. Vitali is 6 feet 8 inches tall, has been for years...........I don't care, but they find anyway they can to cut Klitschko down........
     
  4. Nay_Sayer

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    Wlad's jab is S H I T. If he had any confidence in his jab then he would follow it with a right hand - like guys who have good jabs like to do. Instead, Grabbimir spends half the fight pawing with his jab. Did you not see the Ibragimov fight? That was a sad spectacle.

    You Klittards really need to keep Larry Holmes' name out of your mouth. Holmes' jab puts Wlad's to shame. Leave the crack alone...
     
  5. Nay_Sayer

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    LOL. Holmes was an OLE MAN by the time of the Tyson fight. BS free? Not hardly...


    Lol. Ok dude, if you say so. I fail to see how Grabimir's pawing jab equals a Holmes right hand but maybe I haven't been using the same quality of narcotics you have...
     
  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd rate Holmes Jab as being better than Lewis' and Wlads. Both Wlad and Lewis pawed with the jab way too much, they rarely committed to the jab like Holmes did.

    Holmes didn't dominate opponents with the jab alone like Lewis and Wlad do but then he didn't usually have their huge size advantages and in general he had a more aggressive style and more varied offence that didn't rely solely on the jab like Wlad.

    Look at how Lewis was out jabbed by Bruno and matched in the jab department by Mercer. I've only ever seen Lewis really commit to the jab in 1 fight and that was the rematch against Rahman. Every jab was thrown with bad intent and then he dominated Rahman and brutalized him with the jab in his last great performance. If Lewis committed to the jab in every fight like the in the rematch with Rahman then I'd rate his jab higher.

    Wlad suffers from the same problem Lewis had. He has a great jab but doesn't use it. He paws with it way too much to control range. When he does commit to it, it is a thing of beauty but that happens only a handful of times a round. He has also never really faced an opponent who had a good jab themselves so it's hard to compare his jab when everyone he faces has a mediocre jab at best.

    I'd also rate Ali's jab above Lewis' and Wlads.
     
  7. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gotta go with Wlad.

    Floyd has a good jab but he doesn't use it to control fights often and it doesn't carry nearly the power of Wlad's.

    The question should be: if you had to pick a jab for YOURSELF to use, which would you pick? The obvious answer is Wlad's.
     
  8. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can be a bit tricky to judge jabs - Ward and Floyd, for instance, often fight people with longer reach than they have and thus utilise their jabs a bit less - but at the same time they are technically very good. Wlad has a good jab but it is improved no end in effectiveness by his physical attributes. Kessler used to have a great jab-right combo, but injuries have forced him to abandon that style.
     
  9. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To the people complaining about various fighters "pawing" with the jab - I'd ask you to consider that sometimes that "pawing" isn't a result of not wanting to commit but rather an attempt to control the opponent's jabbing arm with your own and keep them where you want them to be in the ring - this can be effective but it isn't really punching. When e.g. Wlad actually jabs, it's a hard, accurate shot but he spends a lot of time just slapping the left of his opponent to keep them at bay - this can be frustrating to watch, but it doesn't mean the fighter can't jab.

    Mayweather has a good, accurate jab but he is often fighting opponents with much longer reach/height and thus does not use it to control fights as much.
     
  10. RazorHandz

    RazorHandz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'll go with Ward, he fought better opposition than Wlad P4P and is more accurate with his jab, can also use it as a power shot.
     
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    Floyds jab doesn't carry nearly the power of a 7 foot tall HW? Thanks for clearing that up for us :nut
     
  13. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Ward's jab against Rodriguez was awesome. Hard, accurate and with perfect timing he hit Rodriguez with when he was coming in he hit him when he was going out ,he finished some of his combinations with a hard jab leaving Rodriguez without a chance to punch back, he put on a clinic on how to use a jab and showed why the jab is the most important punch in boxing. Overall one of the best jabbing displays i have seen for quite some time.
     
  14. dangerousity

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    I agree. I was actually quite shocked in watching that display, I always admired Cotto's power jab but IMO Ward took it to another level. I think it's the timing, he could time it to when Rodriguez was coming in and everytime he threw it, just landed clean. Could be down to quality of opponent but after watching that fight, couldn't help but start practice that style of jab.

    I would imagine that sort of jab requires good inside/clinch game though, a lot of the time Ward steps into the jab to really commit into it putting him the firing zone, he gets out of trouble by getting out of range by way of phonebooth range or a clinch.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thought pawing was against the rules as it could be used to block vision? If it is, just another one of those things against the rules that seems to be tolerated, ie clinch. IMO if it's against the rules and fighters repeatedly do it, they should get a warning then point deduction, else no point in the rule book.

    Mayweather has orangutan arms, pretty sure he's never fought anyone with a longer reach than himself. I think Floyd has so many weapons at his disposal he doesn't really need to rely on that jab, he can counter with any punch just as easily as he could with his jab. Not many fighters can throw a lead right as fast as their jab.