What GRADE would u give Robert Garcia...

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  1. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Freddie Roach> Robert Garcia.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    What plan B? Exactly what is Rios capable of that would allow for a plan B?


    He stalks forward, in this case behind a guard, pumping out punches and tries to wear down his opponents.

    Rios doesnt have the capabilities for a plan B....


    Sometimes its smarter to put everything into a Plan A, then trying to do something even more inferior (plan B).
     
  3. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    A trainer can only do so much.. not his fault that Rios is a limited fighter.
     
  4. Scar

    Scar VIP Member

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    Doesn't take brains to know R. Garcia is a trash trainer anyway. However, Rios is a one-dimensional fighter anyway, he fights one predictable way and always did his entire career. There's nothing Robert Garcia could do for him.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    It really is stupid to shoehorn the roles & duties of a head coach into a set pattern of expectations. "Oh, they should always do XYZ, and have a plan B when there are signs of struggle with the original approach..." - no.

    What is necessary varies depending on the match-up, the fighter, the chemistry they have, and many other factors. What is good for a particular goose may not be for another particular gander.

    Each coach brings their strengths and must then customize & tailor what they bring to what the fighter needs, as best he can. Sometimes the coach is at fault when that doesn't work, and sometimes he isn't. Sometimes he does his best with a bad situation and nothing more could be hoped for.
     
  6. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Just watch the fight again. Watch Rios ringwalk. Both Rios & Garcia had the look of condemned men going to the gallows. Garcia KNEW Rios was going to take a sustained beating. Rios was being made to pay for the way the Garcia gang treated Freddie Roach.
    Manny did what he promised. Id have loved to have seen Ariza get a good ass whuppin though that scumbag has no place in any sports
     
  7. SUPER TROJAN

    SUPER TROJAN Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For what Rios can/can't do in the ring with his abilities, I'd give him a pretty good score. That's as best as Rios was going to get. He even said himself that had he opened up a bit more and threw more punches, he would probably get knocked out himself. Garcia did the best he could with what he had.

    He did great with Gradovich though! That " F*cking Mexican-Russian" hits hard! lol
     
  8. ant-man

    ant-man ant Full Member

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    He flys by the seat of his pants.
     
  9. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    trainers cant fight for fighters. all they are is a second pair of eyes. not magicians
     
  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    If people were expecting to see something different from Rios last night then they either have no boxing IQ whatsoever or have never seen Rios box before.

    Garcia did what he could with a very limited boxer.
     
  11. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    how long has Rios been working with Garcia for?? I would expect to see at least a few changes within a few fights of having worked with him. but Garcia is not an old hand as a trainer so give him time to find his legs.

    Just remember that its a learning game for the both trainer and the fighter.


    The whole situation at the gym when the teams nearly came to blows was just another lesson that needs to be heeded so it doesnt happen again. it just caused a distraction for the fighter and a headache for the Trainer. The trainer was the most affected of the two however:deal
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Can you see Rios changing? Ever? For anyone? He is as WYSIWYG as they come.
     
  13. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Roach "Outcoached" Garcia last night...
    #TeamGarcia was expecting a standing WAR & Manny came out with an air attack.
    PAC sacrificed power for speed & accuracy & was nowhere to be found in an exchange.
    (Brandon couldn't cope & took a different type of beating than they expected)

    Taking away Brandon's only way to win... capitalizing on his fault (Slow)
    ^Thats gameplan.
     
  14. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Well-Known Member Full Member

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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Roach didn't out-coach anybody. Pacquiao did what Pacquiao does. Rios did what Rios does, which is all he can do or will ever do. Pacquiao is too fast and Rios too slow and inaccurate. They could have swapped trainers and had the same result.