How broke is Holyfield?

I'm not American, and if you think those people being tolerant are "destroying" it then that's deeply sad. I'm also not gay; if you don't mean me but people in general then that's OK. I may not like your opinion, but as long as you don't actually try and suppress or bully people for their ***uality I don't have major beef with you. What many of the "libs" in your country are arguing against though is people who are indeed doing that, on personal, national and legislative levels.

As for animals and homo***uality - it's irrefutable; I don't see how you can credibly argue against it. It's been consistently observed and documented in a multitude of species over hundreds of years. In various forms, too - not just *** but things like bonding and parenting. the full range, so it's not a case of male animals indiscriminately ****ing everything that moves as you imply. Clearly animal ***uality varies in its sophistication according to the intelligence of the species in question, with humans at the top. We're also the only species where some of its members turn on the homo***uals though (as far as I'm aware).

And dogs are more intelligent than cats.

As to your other question, I mostly read the board rather than post, but it annoyed me that a poster came under fire for posting his opinion on someone else's opinion, and falsely accused of denying Holyfield's right to an opinion. Pretty ironic in the end. And I dislike bigotry, and am better equipped to argue against it than I am to argue a point in a boxing discussion on here with the same depth of knowledge as probably the majority of posters here. Hence most of the others of my few posts are me calling out some blatant anti-semitism from a couple of posters.

I regret contributing to this derail, though, because I know I have no hope whatsoever of achieving any kind of success. I also have to turn in, as it's past midnight and I have to turn in to be up with my 2-year-old in the morning.

Apologies to those wanting to discuss Holyfield's financial woes. Judging by the house he bought, it sounds like he handled his money poorly. Even with the gigantic amounts boxers earn it's easy to get carried away. Appearing on a reality programme really is the pits.

edit: Obama is gay?? A gay Muslim, presumably! Amazing.

 

It is a problem with a athlete being gay. It would be like a man being in a womans locker room. THat indeed is a problem. I guess we need to add a gay locker room next.

 

Thankfully Putin is cracking down on the Homo lobby in Russia. Give any quarter to those people and the next thing that happens will be it's inclusion into grade school curriculum(sp).

Sorry; I am too lazy to look up the correct spelling of curriculum.

 

No, these are not proven facts.

Its laughable that you call them proven whereas you are incapable to provide the actual proof.atsch

Go ahead and post actual scientific study results that support your claims. I know you won't because a) You haven't researched the topic, b) there is no science supporting your claims and finally; c) you're ****ing stupid


You try to hide your ignorance by saying people are lazy to look something up- you and I both know that you yourself haven't read **** on the matter. If you actually researched it, you'd know that there is absolutely no conclusive scientific evidence supporting your claims. You're just regurgitating whatever you've seen on the TV, as most idiots do.


As I said twice before, you are a complete and utter ******.

 

Homo***uality hasn't been documented in animals, homo***ual behaviors have. I hope you are capable of understanding the difference

Animals act on urges and feral impulses- their homo***ual behaviors are just that. There is no exclusively homo***ual species. And if there were, then it died out This in itself proves that homo***uality is just a mere deviation or urge.


Besides using animal behavior to define the morals/virtues for people is laughable. Animals kill and eat members of their species, even their family, and its quite widespread. Does that make it ok for people to do? People have morals, reason,the capacity to think abstractly and the ability to communicate verbally- that makes us different from an ape or a ****ing spider


I cannot comprehend how any logically thinking person would try to justify something by saying that it happens in the animal world. We are where we are, as a society because of the very fact that we are different from animals

 

That's a whole lot of distinctions without differences. Homo***uality, in any meaningful sense, has been observed across hundreds and hundreds of species in various types of manifestation. Humans are just one more. It's not hard to understand. Oh, and ***uality is very much an urge in humans too. It's a primal impulse in us just like any other animal. Again, not hard to understand. It should be blindingly obvious to any human who isn't a***ual just how powerful an urge it is.

Talkimg about understanding differences, I hope you yourself comprehend the difference between behaviour such as killing and ***uality. One is inherently negative and one is inherently positive. Things that don't hurt other people are not the same as things that do. One we should as civilised people allow and one we should not. Not complicated. Furthermore, as an aside, many animals certainly have reason; some people argue morals in some cases, but that's less clear cut.

Besides which, homo***uality doesn't need "justifying" to you or anyone else, including pleasant fellows like Kevin Willis who support Russia's recent incredibly nasty legislation (I wonder what he feels about the laws in Uganda?). It's two consenting people having fun or expressing love and it's nothing to do with you.

Now I really have to hit the sack. Good night.

 

Dude Obama is gay do some research. Most of the people at the church he went to are gay. He is far from Muslim. Obama use to hang out at gay bars in Chicago. His marriage is just a cover up so he could run for President. Obama prefers older white guys and he likes to be the female. For someone that knows so much about gay studies it seems you would know that??? BTW I'm all about freedom and I don't have a problem with gays getting married. It does not effect my life in one way. And I'm from the deep south.

 

Just because dogs kiss humans ass does not mean they are more smarter. Lions are the king of the jungle. Dogs eat cat **** for christ sakes. I have a dogs and cats and the dogs eat there **** anytime they get a chance. If that is not smart I don't know what is.

 

***uality is inherently positive? Is pedophilia positive? Maybe ****? Anyways, back to the point.


You say that homo***uality doesn't need justification, but you are desperately trying to justify it.

Using animal behavior to prove its legitimacyatsch
Same could be done with killing, cannibalism etc. If its been observed in animals, it must be ok, huh?

Homo***uality been around for thousands of years, however that doesn't make it normal. Killing has been around, pedophilia has been around, **** has been around... cannibalism has been around too. Are these normal, morally acceptable behaviors? Does their presence through the animal kingdom & history make them acceptable?

Homo***uality is illogical from a biological point of view. That means its an urge (as you said yourself)- just like any other ***ual deviation, not something pne is born with.. We are born to reproduce, to secure the continuity of our species.

This is biology- nature. Homo***uality is agains this, and that is why it is not a legitimate lifestyle, undeserving of legal/political recognition


Its a marginal occurrence, a illogical deviation which should not be recognized as a political matter of importance.

Should fetishists demand the same rights as homo***uals? Should pedophiles? Their behaviors are quite similar to the ones in gays, just in a different context.

A marginalized ***ual impulse is undeserving of becoming a political/civil rights issue. No one should be forced to accept a lifestyle which is unnatural and against biology. No one should be ridiculed for disagreeing with a lifestyle like that. Why should freedom of speech end on gays? Why should one be stigmatized for disagreeing with deviance?


People like you- incapable of thinking for yourself, blindly accepting everything the media spews at you without even trying to understand the issue at hand are a cause of the downfall of western society

 

As broke as a $1 *****`s pu**y........:blurp

 

I don't even know how you could fix your mouth to say some old dumb **** like that. That right there shows where you're coming from. You, yourself don't subscribe to anything you just said. Everything you wrote was aimed at putting that bull**** comment about Obama out there. You probably the gayest person on this forum. That was some weak ass ****.

 

Get back on topic The Real Deal is broke.

 

So since animals do it then it is acceptable? Nice reasoning. Now go hump a sofa or something or take a dump on neighbor's lawn.

 

A person only lives once and time goes by very quickly, so why worry about other peoples private lives? I do not care if a person is Gay, why should I? It's their life, not mine. The more Gays the more women for me, if I wanted to be selfish about it, but it's the right wing Tea Party nuts who put their nose into everyone's business.

 

Maybe he wouldn't be broke, if he didn't sit around all day watching FOXNews. Listening to his ridiculous comment that's what it sounds like.