breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

I dont see this happening, all the big homos are playin ball.

That is simply what I have been told here.

There was even a thread "Is Heavyweight champion playing different sport" where TS suggested our real HW champ is on NFL or NBA. There was like all the mayweather and Broner fans on that thread telling that it is the truth.

I guess Seth Mitchell was just a troll even he was going the show what real hw fighters are all about and again all this is just what I was told here.

 

If you bother to research the paper trail about heavyweight boxing you will read that the heavyweight division has always stank. It stank 25 years ago, it will "stink" 25 years from now. I think I'm going to the library right now and ask the reference desk librarian if I can get some old back issue boxing magazines on microfiche so I can post what the paper trail says.

 

Were you a sentient being during the 80s? None of the top guys fought each other until the 90s. Everything in the heavyweight division was orchestrated by Don King. And the matches were made to further Don King's monetary interests. I remember reading boxing magazine articles written in the 80s lamenting the fact "the top guys don't fight each other". Has Klitschko held a pressconference to put a title belt in a trash can?

 

Ha well that was the 90's with Bowe not wanting to fight Lewis but yeah that is pretty true about most of the 80's. The 90's was certaintly a great time for the Heavyweight division minus incidents like that. To me with today's fighters it's really the lack of skill/technique, heart and drive that makes it the poorest era I've seen. Perhaps that will change soon though, one can hope but when I compare the good fighters in the HW division of this time and then in the 90's, 80's, 70's, etc. it's pretty obvious to me that certain elements are really lacking with today's HW's....most just look so uncordinated and nowhere near as skilled of fighters although I'd really only say that about the HW's today.

 

They didn't fight each other in the 90s either.

Holyfield was the only guy that mixed it up and produced the dream match ups.

Bowe only fought Evander
Moorer only fought Evander
Tyson only fought Evander
Lewis only fought Evander
Only Moorer and Holyfield fought Foreman

 

-Wlad is on pace with the Champions or top guys of the past three decades.

-Contender vs Contender non-title match ups have been on rapid decline since the 80s as I pointed out a few pages ago.

 

Here's a brief incomplete record for Larry Holmes slightly before and after his reign as an IBF heavyweight champion.

Feb. 3, 1980 Lorenzo Zanon 25-4-2
Mar. 31, 1980 Leroy Jones 24-0-1
July 7, 1980 Scott LeDoux 26-8-4
Oct. 10, 1980 Muhamad Ali 36-3-0 won IBF heavyweight title
April 11, 1981 Trevor Berbick 18-1-1
June 6, 1981 Leon Spinks 10-2-2
Nov. 11, 1981 Renaldo Snipes 22-0-0
Jun 6, 1982 Gerry Cooney 25-0-0
Nov 26 1982 Randall Cobb 20-2-0
Mar. 27, 1983 Lucien Rodriguez 35-7-1
May 20, 1983 Tim Witherspoon 15-0-1 split/ gift decision
Sept. 10, 1983 Scott Frank 20-0-1
Nov. 25, 1983 Marvis Frazier 10-0-0
Nov. 9, 1984 James Smith 14-1-0
Mar 15, 1984 David Bey 14-0-0
May 20, 1985 Carl Williams 16-0-0 ( gift decision )*
Sept 21, 1985 Michael Spinks ( lost ) 27-0-0
Apr. 19, 1986 Michael Spinks ( lost ) 28-0-0
Jan 22, 1988 Mike Tyson ( lost ) 32-0-0

* Last heavyweight title fight broadcast on nonsubscription television network in the USA ----NBC if I remember correctly. Also, I think Holmes was 36 years old here, which is the age Vladimir Klitschko was when he fought David Haye.

How many recognizable/ respected "names" on his record?

Muhamad Ali easily the most famous but according to some posts on the thread Ali was already suffering from Parkinson's by this point, so not much of a victory.

Tim Witherspoon 15-0-1 boxed well enough to make Holmes' decision debatable.

Carl Williams, not well known, but since it was on NBC many people saw the fight and many people think Williams deserved the wins

Michael Spinks ---lost
Michael Spinks part 2 ---again lost
Mike Tyson----lost.

So when you scrape all the **** fighters off his record is he really that great? And by the way, at the time boxing writers characterized the heavyweight division "at its all time worst".

We'll take a closer look at his opponents and see who had inflated records who was worth their salt.

We'll look at other champions too some time later on. I think Joe Walcott or Marciano are actually champions of the very worst eras of heavyweights.

 

-Your errors and flawed approach has been covered enough.

-At the end of the day, the stand out fighters of the 80s, 90s, 00s actual record against opponents ranked in the top 10 by RING at the time of the fight.

-Wlad is 13-0
-Vitali 8-2
-Peter 3-3
-Byrd 5-4-1
-Ruiz 5-6-1
-Rahman 2-7-2
-Lewis is 13-1-1
-Holyfield is 10-8-2
-Bowe 5-1
-Foreman 2-2 (post comeback only)
-Moorer 1-3
-Tyson 13-4

The Near Men:
Povetkin 4-1
Chambers 3-3
Tua 3-2-1
Mercer 2-3
Ruddock 2-3



Evander is the real abnormality.

If there are any mistakes, I'm open to what you caught.

 

-Not a question of fairness, your method simply didn't produce anything useful.

-Yet you used singular fighters to define an era.

-Exactly and 80s, 90s, 00s have sadly followed the same pattern with the loan throwback exception being Holyfield, who was an active presence in all three decades.