I heared a lot about dawson and ohh dear!!

he said, she said, you said:rofl facts please(e.g. reports, links)

 

nah, how about you? lol

 

Personal opinion.. Glencoffe won by 1 point and he was the man making the fight a lot more watchable...

Bad Chad wasn't awful.. but he wasn't very good... considering...

 

Everyone knows ageing fighters get passed over for younger more marketable fighters unless the fight is a clear shutup hence why Dawson got the 'Win'.

It's a small matter now though because what's on paper is on paper but the fans know the kind of fighter GJ is how Dawson shapes up in the grander scheme of thing I just hope this puts to bed the enless Calzaghe v Dawson debate because if Joe gets by Hopkins I do not want him wasting his final matchup against a paper champion like Dawson.

 

Not impressed by Tarvers showing at all, think that Dawson would make him look bad.. Johnson is no easy match, so lets not dismiss Dawson so quickly...

 

Dawson did win, but I thought it was close enough to warrant a rematch. . But I doubt there will be a rematch. Dawson probably don't want to risk that.

 

I said prove it, not toss out a bunch of rhetoric that may or may not have been said and even if it was said, may not have even been true.

And just because Warren says that an offer was on the table doesn't mean it was, and just because you said he said that doesn't mean I believe you. Now prove it. If there are quotes and all of these things were said in the media, then you should be able to find me a source. And what I really want to see are the "demands" Jones made. Because as far as I can tell, Calzaghe has never tried leaving the UK area until now.

Lets get one thing straight, person who's name has Calzaghe in it.....I nor anyone else here who has any intelligence, is simply going to take your word on anything that has to do with Calzaghe. You have already made it painfully obvious that you're biased and will push things into a "Calzaghe was right" perspective. So PROOF. Welcome to ESB.

 

OHHHHH.....so in other words, because Calzaghe said it, it must be true. This is your source? You don't know what demands were made by Calzaghe (Warren), you don't know whether or not Calzaghe said any of the things he says he did, and frankly, the ONLY time anyone here has EVER brought up Calzaghe vs Jones, they wanted Jones to come to the UK. There has never been any mention of ANY offer turned down by Jones or any demands made by Jones that were outrageous.

When you make accusations, proof is in order. Why? Because Calzaghe did not hold any cards in 2001 to make Jones do anything. And all signs point to the fact that Calzaghe had no intentions of leaving the UK to face Jones Jr in the states.

 

I didn't ask you about Hopkins. I already know about Hopkins....I made no denials about Hopkins.

Jones said to Eubanks that he would love to fight in London one day. But anytime an actual offer for a fight was in the works, Jones always insisted that any fights take place in the States. We all know that because Jones was insistant (no matter what he said in passing when there were no negotiations going on) on fighting in the States because of the 88 Olympics. So Jones never said he would fight DM OR Calzaghe anywhere else but here in a formal offer and was always insistant that they come here. I don't see you calling out Calzaghe for not wanting to leave the UK to fight the top rated fighter in the world at the time. DM never wanted to come here and neither did Calzaghe. And frankly, why would Jones ever go to them?

So no, I don't believe, and most here don't believe that Jones ever ran from Calzaghe. Jones held all the cards there and my guess is "outrageous demands" include "coming to the US" and getting a majority of the purse, all things he should have gotten anyways. And the DM fight was always something that was on both their heads.

 

I see you are doing your best to ignore what I said.

Why are you asking these questions only of Jones? If Calzaghe was so confident, then place and purse shouldn't have mattered to him either. But at some point, those things are negotiated. And here are the facts.

Jones was better known around the globe.

Jones would have been defending HIS three LHW titles making him the champion and the man in the fight.

Jones was one the top 2 ranked boxers in the world for nearly a decade at this point.

Calzaghe had no leverage. So when things were being decided, then Jones held all the cards. It is very easy to say, "Well Jones shouldn't have cared if he was so confident." Well vice versa.

As for those numbers you quoted. Jones, just as Calzaghe, would have felt comfortable in the States and liked having his support system. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't get into the US vs UK debate. It isn't about that. It's about these 2 fighters and the facts surrounding their careers in 2001. Jones was the one who held all the leverage. If Calzaghe wanted the fight, he would have had to concede location and majority of purse to Jones.

The PPV numbers and option Jones would have had BTW, would have been better in the States. Yes, more fans would have shown up in the UK for the fight, but Jones wouldn't have gotten more money that way.

 

i've read everything..can't argue with someone like you anymore. Hopeless:-(