Prime Sven Ottke vs. S.O.G. Andre Ward

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ottke was never even close to being hurt, mainly due to his Genius level ring IQ, Foot work, Variety of Jabs, Sturdy Chin & obviously a big heart/Iron Will.

    Shame that he didn't find a way to Lure Calzaghe, I can't blame him because Calzaghe knew he is no match to Ottke. Calzaghe was dropped hard by many limited fighters...Also Ottke had no respect for the WBO that was not considered a full World title belt at that time, he viewed himself as the legit Champion & Calzaghe as a minor title holder...Ottke definitely an ATG, but he could have been way on top of the list, had he gave Calzaghe a boxing lesson or stopped him in the same manner he stopped...the then rude Undefeated Anthony Mundine
     
  2. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    YDSA Ottke :roll:

    IBF Champion 1998
    Unified Champion 2003-2004

    He walked out 34-0, 21 Title defenses, never dropped...

    When he won his IBF the WBO was not considered a legit belt yet, so Calzaghe his then minor belt was the one who needed to fight the real champion.
     
  3. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I could fight anyone in history if the referee penalised them for hitting me back. Just saying.
     
  4. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ottke wasnt easy to hit because punches that are legal against any other opponents against him they were not, fighting vs someone that has ref on payrol is god damn tough, Ottke would not win a round against Ward, Ward will. likely be ATG once he retires, Ottke is ATG in Germany and thats it...
     
  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All BS aside, Ottke in Germany will be an almost Guaranteed loss for Andre Ward

    The ref will not allow Ward to get away with anything, Ward throws few & when he throws he does more than punching. That will definitely cost him points in Germany...If Ward tries to keep up the pace, he will get disqualified (in Ward case, the ref...will actually have some kind of pre-text to disqualify Ward). Andre Ward can't KO Ottke & might find himself on Ottke Unbeaten record!

    Also Ottke has an underrated Iron Chin, no way Ward can stop him. Ottke was the biggest name in 168 from 1998-2004, he held the IBF/WBA when Calzaghe was holding the WBO which was considered a fringe title back then.

    Ward is favorite against any 168, except Prime Roy Jones & prime Ottke, those were unbeatable at 168
     
  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I will always have a warm spot for Ottke given the near homicide of Mundine.. : )
     
  7. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ottke was an Underrated puncher, most of the time he used his power as a deterrent to enforce a boxing lesson. Few fighters have that mindset, Rigondeaux is one of the few fighters who also uses powerful punches to enforce a boxing lesson.

    Many times you see the opposite, where smooth boxers. Leverage everything they got, from every angle just to look like a beast and score a stoppage, even if risking catching something in return. Best cases on Championship level is Tyson, Vargas, Hamed & Judah, they had fine boxing skills starting up, but they got lazy from getting ready for 12 rds, instead they just let their bodies rest & trained enough for 12 rds of stalking, looking for a KO, which worked with most inferior or self-doubting opponents, but didn't work with mentally strong elite opponents
     
  8. split_decision

    split_decision Electronic information tampers with your soul Full Member

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    Soggy beats Sven all day
     
  9. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly feel sorry for you:tired
    RJJ would KO Ottke without any doubt even in Germany, even troll like you know that.
     
  10. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

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    Well, I've given you an objective view. Ottke had a solid amateur background and was well schooled. During his best days when he had his reflexes, he was quite difficult to hit. Now, Ward is a very accurate puncher and has very good timing, and I don't doubt that he could have beaten Ottke on a neutral ground, but not in Germany.

    If we look at it from the same perspective, then Andre Ward could be an "ATG" in the US and that's it.
     
  11. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Absolutely wrong to say Ward ATG in USA because he did not have any shaky decisions, he got **** scores vs Froch it was wider, Ward cleaned out 168 Ottke never did that.
    Saying Ward will not beat him in Germany well Ward beats him there and gets robbed(that just says how corrupt his team was), Ottke needed corrupt referee vs Robin Reid that says a lot about his self belief, when his team arranged that charade tells me that they knew he aint **** but they knew German fans dont know **** about boxing so they can pull that of ,anyone with any knowledge would leave that arena after 3 or 4 rounds...out of all champions there was robberies bad decisions but Ottke Reid is the biggest joke ever it makes Rocky movie look more real than that fight:tired
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ottke

    Before you all jump and try and say im being bias look at the whole picture.
    Ottke like Ward wasnt a big puncher, but was able to keep people at bay like Ward can.
    Ottke was a better boxer, and better mover.
    Ward would be stronger if he was holding Ottke, but Ottke wasnt weak either and was clever enough not to get tied up.
    Ottke fought many different styles and would have handled Ward.

    Ottke has a far greater resume and is far more accomplished.
    Sure Ottke wasnt interested in Calzaghe, but Ward not being as big a puncher and slower would have suited Ottke more.

    Sven wins by UD


    It was a far tougher era that Ottke fought in. Consider how Froch was coming off a Mdec win over old faded G Johnson and then Froch fought Ward to a close fight, yet Ottke was outboxing and beating prime Johnson clearer than Froch

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    Sven Ottke should be appreciated more than he is, in my opinion.
    Read on...

    1. It was only Ottkes 13th fight when he won a world title

    Consider how A Ward is raved about now. Ward has had 27 fights, by this time Ottke had made 14 defences.
    If Johnson had of got the decision over Froch that some felt he deserved in the S6. The S6 finals would have been Ward vs Johnson and if he was to have beat Johnson it would be considered a big win, but Ottke beat Johnson at SMW back in 99 when prime.

    2. Ottke made 21 title defences and was a winner of 22 world title fights

    Consider how Hopkins MW reign is thought to be special yet Ottke had more SMW title victories than Hopkins had MW victories and overall fought better opposition

    3. Ottkes reign was impressive when you consider he wasnt a puncher and didnt have an equalizer in his fists.

    Look at who Ottke as a non puncher beat
    C Brewer the then IBF SMW champ for the title, beaten twice
    G Johnson who went on to become the Ring & IBF LHW champ
    S Branco who went on to become the WBA LHW champ
    A Mundine who went on to become the 2 time WBA SMW champ
    B Mitchell the then WBA SMW champ and 2 time WBA champ
    R Reid the former WBC SMW champ and still world class
    A Krajnc the former WBO MW champ (a smaller fighter)
    M Larsen world class who went on to become European champ
    R Markussen world class who went on to become European champ
    T Tate beaten twice
    D Starie
    J Butler
     
  13. Nadal

    Nadal New Member Full Member

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    I agree. Ottke is underrated in all departments. He was very intellegent and oooohhh so very boring to watch. But he stole the rounds he needed to take a lot of wins against betterlooking opponents.
    Ward is another bore. But at the same time he is ooooohhhh so dirty. He steels rounds and in any ring outside US, he would be warned for his use of illegal action.
    Ottke would´ve avoided all of Wards dirty actions by backing away, letting Jesus´brother from Oakland punching saints in heaven.
     
  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    only an idiot would pick sven.
     
  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah several people picked against him throughout his career before he retired undefeated with a very good resume