list ur top 10 heavyweights

No Ali huh? I have a hard time with Larry Holmes on this list but no Ali....I think Ali is overrated but at least he beat people with a pulse and he was truly a top 10 fighter...

 

Yeah because beating ATG's, winning gold at Olympics and winning the true title 3 times means nothing!

Beating Manuel Charr,Sam Peter and Sosnowski though...now THAT IS A CAREER!

 

Why would anyone want to talk boxing with you after what you just wrote?

 

Lmmfao...!:rofl

 

Dude, Wlad Klitschko is a *****. He is very athletic and seems to have the best "1-2" in the division but his footwork is poor and he's very vulnerable to getting ko'd. I also despise his "performance" against Brewster. That was effin' disgusting.
Vitali is a beast though. I like him alot. Too bad Vitali doesnt have Wlad's athleticism. If he did, he'd be undisputed #1 all-time.

 

H2h or perspective due to era.

H2H
Lennox Lewis
Waldimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Ali
Marciano
Louis
Schmelling


Era specific
Lennox Lewis
Ali
Foreman (2 eras)
Marciano
Wladimir
Louis
Schmelling
Johnson
Vitali
Tyson

 

Neither klitschko belongs in the top 20 you need to be banned from writing about boxing unless this is a joke

 

Both Klitschkos are extremely overrated since they have annually been placed among the top 10 p4p for the past few years in several p4p lists. To claim that they are underrated is fallacious and a terrible farce. Simply copy pasting statistics such as the Klitschkos W-L record or KO ratios and numerically comparing them to other great heavyweights simply demonstrates an inability to use logical thinking and an inability to put these misleading statistics into context. After the Holyfield Bowe Tyson Lewis era was finished, the post early 2000s heavyweight division became the weakest division in the history of any weight class of any era since perhaps the beginning of boxing as a sport.

All of the wins in both Klitschkos resumes come against fighters years and years beyond their prime, with padded records, with no name fighters who should not be in a boxing ring to begin with, or some combination of these flaws.

The biggest and most impressive win on both Klitschko's resume is Samuel Peter - who still managed to knock down the bum Wladimir 3 times in one fight. Samuel Peter as your best win does not make you an all time great or a top 10 p4p fighter for several years. In a weak era where Samuel Peter was the best fighter you beat (and one that Wladimir struggled with), it doesn't matter how many title defenses, knockouts, wins, etc. you have. You are not among the elite.

Lennox Lewis - even at 38 years old, fat, in the worst shape of his career, was barely losing on the scorecard 58-56 to Vitali - which could easily have been scored a draw at that point (yet so many idiotic fans try to use this slim edge as validation that Klitschko "won" the fight) and still managed to take complete control of the fight heading into the 6th round and smashed Vitali's face so badly that a medical professional could not allow Vitali to get further annihilated and, in hindsight, Lennox exposed Vitali as a fraudulent champion fighting in a weak era like Rocky Marciano.

Vitali was not dominating the fight. He had a decent start and as the fight went on he was eating uppercuts left and right and continued to clinch excessively. Lennox Lewis (remember - a 38 year old, fat, out of shape Lennox Lewis) still gave him fits and forced a doctor to stop the fight because Vitali was taking such a beating. Ironically people consider this humiliating face bashing to be Vitali's shining moment - that shows how overrated of a boxer you are when getting your faced smashed while having the slimmest of leads on the scorecard is your crowning achievement.

What I have written is UNDISPUTED truth and FACTUAL. This is not opinion or conjecture. I challenge any human being on earth to try and dispute the infallible assertion that, in general, the Klitshkos are extremely overrated by the media and public.

The following arguments do not disprove what has been written above and if one uses these fallacious arguments it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Wladimir proved his incompetence as a boxer in getting demolished by Brewster (and falsely making up a poison excuse, no less.) Sanders and Puritty, and how Vitali demonstrated his incompetence as a boxer in having a relatively terrible performance against a trash version of Lennox Lewis.

1) Vitali is 45-2 with losses coming by injury stoppages and a 87% KO ratio. Wladimir is 59-3 with 51 KOs. Few boxers can match these numbers.
And who was the best opponent these boxers beat? Samuel Peter. Padded records mean nothing. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Eric Esch was 61-1-3 at one point. Copy pasting statistics does not prove anything when you fail to put them in context. I highly doubt anyone is foolish enough to put Eric Esch above Evander Holyfield despite the fact that Esch has a higher winning percentage. If Holyfield fought both Klitschko's level of competition he would walk through them without a scratch.

2) Lennox Lewis was afraid of Vitali and ducked a rematch.
First of all - Lennox Lewis made Riddick Bowe duck HIM, he fought Holyfield twice, was willing to fight Tyson for several years and finally did, fought Mccall and Rahman even after being KOd, and Tommy Morrison, but some people are foolish enough to think he is scared of fighting KLITSCHKO of all people???
Secondly as mentioned several times - Lennox was 38, fat, in the worst shape ever, past his prime, and still made Vitali's face look like the deer my friend killed and put through the grinder a few weeks ago.
Thirdly - Why should a man in the physical twilight of his career (Lennox) risk his health for one more fight when he didn't take the fight seriously in the first place (still winning by TKO) and already proved his place among the all time greats? Vitali should be on his knees kissing Lennox's feet for even giving a bum like Klitschko the opportunity to fight an all time great like Lennox. Lennox isn't in the position of Joe Louis who had to come back and fight because of IRS problems, so he has no reason to risk his health after already risking it for over a decade against fighters lightyears beyond Klitschko.

3) the Klitschkos are foreign so they do not get respect.
really? Marquez, Pacquiao, Chavez sr, Duran, Monzon, Sergio Martinez, Genady Golovkin, Adonis Stevenson, Maidana, Rigondeux, Donaire do not get respect?
anyone who said this - shut up. No need to pull the race/nationality card

4) The Klitschkos have X amount of title defenses
Again, copy pasting statistics does not prove anything. Look at the men that the REAL heavyweights had to fight compared to the bum Klitschkos.
Bowe, Lennox, Moorer, Tua, Tyson, Evander, Morrison, Spinks, Foreman, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Now lets compare the Klitschkos wins - Peter, old washed up Mercer, old washed up Rahman, Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris (who lost to a washed up Tyson), Purrity, Sanders, 38 year old fat Lennox, Chisora, Haye, Povetkin, Eddie Chambers. the hilarious thing is that they actually lost to some of these fighters on the list.

HUGE difference in competition.

Anyone who legitimately believes the farce that either Klitschko is an all time great heavyweight (let alone an ATG p4p fighter) is simply one of the many sheep that blindly follow the herd without thinking for themselves. I have blessed such blind sheep with my wisdom and knowledge and opened their eyes to the truth. It is time for these blind sheep to acknowledge the truth, otherwise I fear that these sheep blindly stumbling through the dark for so long will deny the truth even more vehemently now that these blind sheep have been exposed to the light of truth.

You do have to give the Klitschkos credit for dominating the division, even though it is incredibly weak. That in itself deserves SOME merit. You should not, however, put them among the all time greats after Vitali has been exposed by Lennox Lewis and Wladimir got showed up by Purrity Brewster and Sanders, and struggled against Sam Peter.

Again - I challenge any human being to try and refute my indisputable factual statements at the risk of making themselves look as incompetent as the Klitschkos in their attempts to be ranked among all time great heavyweights. If any human being can refute the irrefutable facts listed, I will respond and recognize their superior wisdom and knowledge. Unfortunately for Klitschko fans, the only people who possess wisdom and knowledge superior to myself would never try and refute these facts in the first place. For that reason, the chances of receiving a response from myself are negligible.

 

1 putin
1.5 vilati
2 louis
3 marciano
4 tyson
5 ali
6 frazier
7 lennox
8 bowe
9 holy
10 holmes

 

Tucker
McCall
Foreman
Vitali
Valuev
Holyfield
Tua
Brewster
Douglas
Akinwande




b4 any1 asx about Tyson, he was a cheater whom usually won b/c he was allowed 2 cheat (elbows) whereas his opponents were not.
Elbows may b worse than loaded gloves.

Lewis was a cheater 2 : rabbit punching & holding & hitting .
In addition Lewis' opposition was meek.

Holmes was a cheater as well : thumbs & elbows + his opposition was crap during his reign. He even avoided avenging his loss 2 Duane Bobbick in d ams and his 2 appalling losses 2 Nick Wells in d ams.
However his e4ts vs Holyfield , McCall , Witherspoon , Williams and a few others make him a borderline top 10. Somewhere along Douglas whom had his 2 early stoppage losses.


Bowe , Puritty & James Smith r top 15 @ worst , cud hev meid d top 10 izili

 

It was a pretty obvious troll list.

I agree with you about Ali. If we talking about who is the most iconic then he is top of the list.
If we talk about how good these guys are at boxing? He is top ten, but not the automatic number 1 that so many people seem to assume he is.

When ad******g for era I'd be putting the Klits somewhere between #15 and #20.

 

He might be the other guys you listed but he's not good boy. good boy is a good poster and certainly doesn't try and minimize the achievements of Froch and Calzaghe.

 

Based on achievements rather than head to head

Ali
Holmes
Louis
Lewis
Foreman
Tyson
Marciano
Holyfield
Wladimir
Frazier

 

Lennox Lew
Tyson Fury
Deonty Wilder