why when mentioning the true greats of boxing does duran get talked about so highly

^ conveniently ignoring the "lightweight" bit.

 

true say, but it seems you only pick up on criticism of floyd. i agree his power is underrated, but in this thread the outrageous claim is benitez lacked.

regards duran, farmboxer stated he was greatest lw, all of your examples were from higher divisions. his win over srl is possibly the greatest of my lifetime.

 

lmao.

nothing in pedjr's resume says he can hang out with a duran, let alone beat him.

pedjr is pure boxer against bums, against duran he is gonna get knfo.:hi:


got outboxed by castillo now he can beat duran. :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

This thread is heresy!!!!

 

This place really is the pits. The amount of stupidity on here is crazy, even compared to the peak of the "*******-*****" days. If you told me that half of the posters on here is just one guy with a bunch of alts arguing with himself, I'd believe you.

 

wow. Troll city here.

Duran is the greatest lightweight of all time, period. He even won some very major fights after moving up. The Barkely fight ranks as one of his great wins, at 38 no less.

 

:amen

 

No comparison between Duran and Hatton. Duran had a more spectacular career than Leonard, Hearns and Hagler. Roberto Duran as a lightweight was one of the fiercest fighting machines to ever grace a boxing ring. Strength, power, ring craft, granite chin, tight elusive defence, sheer pressure and a will to win which bested the worlds best boxers. He is arguably along with Benny Leonard the greatest lightweight ever. He moved up to welterweight and defeated Leonard, other great wins over Pipino Cuevas, Carlos Palomino, Davey Moore followed before challenging arguably the worlds best ever middleweight in Hagler to an excellent competitive contest. People forget Duran was a lightweight. Duran did have losses on his card but they were largely due to his preparation skills which varied depending on who he was fighting. The man was a legend.

 

Well I guess I just mentioned Floyd's power being underrated, since the topic was brought up. So many people call him feather fisted, I find it ridiculous, so I finally mentioned it. I wonder what the hell people are watching sometimes, you know?

You do have a fair point on Duran, his lightweight resume is impressive. But at the very least, can we agree Leonard belongs ahead of Duran on the ATG list, no matter what? How many truly elite fighters do you think Duran beat at lightweight? I'm interested to hear your opinions here. Records don't matter to me, too many can crushers out there (not calling Duran one) all I look at is the quality of wins honestly. So how many great fighters do you think he beat there? I certainly can think of people I'd pick to beat any version of the lightweight Duran, Alexis Arguello comes to mind instantly.

Oh, and let me state the obvious, as I'm not trying to bull**** anyone. I'm a huge Ray Leonard fan, and think he was miles ahead of Duran as a fighter. Yeah Duran won the first one, but Leonard's ego cost him the fight, he fought the most stupid fight possible, all to prove a point. I think the last 2 fights between them showed who was better. I don't care what condition people claim Duran was in for the 2nd fight, a prime Leonard fighting him smart like he did the second time humiliates Duran any time, period. Leonard was faster, better footwork, better hand speed, better at nearly everything. I provided their resumes vs similar competition to show that Leonard was clearly superior. Seeing people put Duran ahead of Leonard on the ATG list is ridiculous to me. Benitez and Hearns are two people Leonard knocked out, who made easy work of Duran for example.

Yeah, that was an absolutely moronic statement. I'm certainly of the opinion that Duran is overrated, I've always been a harsh critic of him. However, only a true ignoramus could say he wasn't an ATG, because he most certainly is. Nobody, not even Hatton's biggest fans, consider him an ATG, Duran was better in every single facet. I still stand firm that Duran is overrated by the majority, but Ricky Hatton doesn't hold a candle to Duran's accomplishments.

 

Duran was great. In my opinion greater than srl and hearns or hagler his resume speaks for itself.

 

even if duran were active today we would never know who'll beat who because floyd won't have the balls.

 

cyrax: i find it instructive that you're happy to excuse srl his ego but not duran his condition. if srl was better at nearly everything he would win regardless of ego, their 1st fight is evidence to suggest otherwise.

i don't go for lb4lb lists in a big way, but feel as a fan of both duran shades srl.

 

Despite Leonard going toe to toe, giving up all footwork in fight 1, just to prove a point, Duran BARELY inks a decision. Leonard fights his fight, and absolutely smokes Duran, utterly humiliates him. Duran literally quit, because he was so utterly humiliated. When all the cards were in Duran's favor, he hardly scraped a decision. When the cards were even, he gets humiliated, so yeah I do favor Leonard. This isn't to mention Leonard got a detatched retina later in his career, fought Duran for a third time before retiring, and beat him again. Simply by observing, you can see Leonard was superior to Duran, but he has the flat numbers too, beat him 2 out of 3.

Leonard knocked out Benitez and Hearns. Benitez schools Duran, makes him look like a novice in there, beats him with ease. Duran couldn't even last two rounds against Hearns, before he got knocked out cold.

There really should be no doubt who the superior fighter is. Leonard dominated Duran in two out of three matches. Performances against common opponents are telling, Leonard dominated common opponents between the two, while Duran got his rear end spanked by the same guys. Another common opponent? None other than Marvin Hagler. Leonard beat him straight out of coming back from a 3+ year retirement. Duran faced Hagler too, and lost of course, just like he did against the others. Leonard was the absolute star, the true alpha of the FAB 4, Duran was the punching bag for the other 3 guys in the FAB 4.

Leonard is much better than Duran, there is no question.