Did Froch get in Groves head?

Dumb tactics but you might be right

He was never going to outlast froch. Should have just gone balls to the floor and see if he could blast him out. All he did was rolong the inevitable for me

 

I think that KO will haunt Groves for the rest of his career.

His tactic was obviously to conserve energy and try and up the anti in the second half, but as i said in the build up, its no good trying to outlast Froch unless you've madfe him work, and Froch looked totally at ease with the tempo and pace of the fight.

 

this time groves respected froch's power. last fight he was performing well but wasn't tagged. not until the fight was actually over. groves could lie all he wanted about not being hurt but truth is he knows himself he was close of being stopped in proper way. that's why he went into the ring with a different approach. carl had the upper hand

 

Groves got in his OWN head. Believed his OWN hype. Arrived by bus and went Home Alone.

Kid's growing up in public, but whatever you say about him he manoeuvred himself into a very well paid evening's work for his trouble.

He's far more credible when he's just himself though, rather than trying to act all smart and sophisticated.

 

He got caught by one punch. It happens. It's happened many, many times in boxing history. It had nothing to do with mind games or hype or tactics or even what came before it. It was just a perfectly thrown right hand.

 

This was the only workable tactic. But even then it was tough. He'd effectively need a better knock down than last time and to apply more pressure - but he was at max work rate in the first fight. So I think he was stalking the right opening for a big KO. But Froch got it first.

Definitely and I think he put huge and completely unnecessary pressure on himself. He also showed himself up at the 'faceoff' table interview they did. A bit too much talk with no real credible substance under it.

 

I just think Froch didn't flap as much this time, maybe that was with the help of the sports psychologist, I don't know. Groves kept trying to get to him but didn't. Froch had accepted Groves as a valid opponent whereas last time I don't think he had.

Groves should have said to himself "Fair enough"when it wasn't working, and played it straight but he kept trying and trying to get at Froch with only a minor reaction now and then.

Groves' biggest chance was the first fight. When Froch had seen what he had and accepted him as an opponent Groves was in trouble.

 

I think antman and seaside are spot on. But i think george did have the beaten of carl like he believed and he did get in his head for the first and second fight...but carl used it too his advantage this time. He went away and worked very very hard. Wheras george went away and worked hard but he believed his own hype, he believed he had the beating of him anyway he wanted. The finishing froch with a left hand hook ended up quite bizarre in the end. I thought it was complete mind games but george didn't really discourage them exchanges in close he believed he could get the job done with it. The straight right hand was the punch. Even agreeing to the ring size was equally bizarre...he believed so much that it didn't matter...he could do it anyway he wanted. He underestimated carl in the end...and it became his downfall.

I think it's a mistake george will continue to make through-out his career. He's actually quite an over-confident guy. That to me is not always a plus in a fighter...you need to use it the right way. Froch lacks confidence underneath the bluster but he uses it to his advantage. Groves needs booth or maybe not even booth but someone that will be the boss, i think thats how the relationship with booth has broken down because george thinks he is smarter than anyone else...mckracken wouldn't actually be a bad choice for him as coach.

 

He lost early on his career to a great british fighter.

He can establish his own legacy and maybe even a legacy greater than Froch's if he puts in the hard work.

 

Booth and groves made for each other gullet...should definetely get back together. It's almost a perfect fit. Personally dont think george will listen to adam though. He is too much his own man...which in my opinion will cost george at the elite level like it did last night. I take my hat off to groves at times for doing things his own way/..but at the level he wants to fight at you need more than a 2 or 3 man team. You need at the least a very organised set up behind the scenes. Think sauderlans will get that sorted out in the future just hope they can get the right fit for him.

 

Froch didn't get half knocked out in the first round this time.