Eubank hints Froch couldn't run with his era (New)

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  1. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    By Samuel Lee


    Chris Eubank Sr, monocle and all, was in attendance for this past Saturdays rematch between Carl Froch and George Groves and I caught up with the legend at the Hilton. Hotel on Sunday

    "What you had was an experienced, absorbant operator who used distance correctly, the correct calm, and got his punch across in the correct manner," he stated. "George will come again, he's still a 22-fight learner and clearly has better speed and moves than Froch, who has won something like 10 world championship contests; he can take something from that at least, you know?

    "You can't buy experience, and George proved his heart in a big way in trying to beat the count the very moment he was remotely conscious again following the finishing blow. He could've grabbed his ankle and pretended he had a bad ankle, but he didn't. He was desperate to get back into it with a guy who could severely hurt him. I see a lot of potential in George Groves in accordance with that.

    "On the other side of it, Carl could've taken a few time-outs on a knee when George started landing big, in the manner he was blinking and dabbing his eye. But he stayed in there, inched in there, persisted and took him with a near-perfect punch instead. Both these gentleman are genuine warriors."


    It seemed to question how Froch would have fared in the era of Eubank, Benn, Watson and Collins in the 80s and 90s.

    "How would Carl have fared in my era? It's impossible to say because he's never experienced anything like it, and it would be unfair of me to say he wouldn't have stood a chance because we don't know, we have no proof either way," he responded.

    "When I was boxing, it wasn't part-time boxing like it is today. We weren't on holiday, we weren't spoilt. It was 365 days a year in the gym, a fight a fortnight on the way up and a fight a month or two as the champion of the world.

    "It's why I'm convinced my son will completely clean up the sport, because we've gone old school, the proper way. You can have all the talent in the world, as my son has, but there's no substitute for punishing yourself and being hard.

    "I spoke to Roy Jones and he said in his prime he would always be back on the road doing his morning roadwork a couple of hours after the fight! Myself, I was always back in the gym on the Monday morning after the fight, or I'd have lost every fight."


    On Froch's ambition to fight in Las Vegas before he retires.

    "The fight capital of the world is Las Vegas, if you can top a fight bill in Vegas to conquer one of their adopted sons when most are saying you can't, you are King. Only Nigel Benn has done that from overseas.

    "It's why I sent my son there. Floyd Mayweather is in Vegas so so many aspiring fighters go there. Much like Duran and Benitez inspired so many young South Americans in New York City to contest with the toughest breed of Afro-Americans. It becomes a furnace.

    "Regarding Carl fighting there and an opponent, I don't think Andre Ward for instance is cut out for Vegas because he lacks charisma. He wouldn't sell. It may be that Carl fights on an undercard and achieves his dream that way."


    On why many feel he never fought the best out there.

    "Unintentionally, I fought the very best in Michael Watson in our second fight. In our first fight, it was said he was in a much better place than when he fought the maestro-like Mike McCallum in a close contest. In our second fight, he was leaps and bounds better than he was in the first. Literally unbeatable because he kept up the pace of a lightweight, as Jim Watt and Jim McDonnell will attest to, and was stronger than a 15 stone Carl Thompson.

    "To find a way through the jungle of pain, the jungle of blistering punches in bunches, and win in a situation like that can be only be done with grit, integrity and resolve, the most honourable of traits.

    "The reason I wouldn't go out of my way to fight James Toney or Roy Jones in my prime is because I didn't want another Watson II fight. Something I was quite honest about. The other reason is because I was never offered as much money as I was making in London and Europe, another thing I was very honest about."


    On his opposition, including Joe Calzaghe.

    "In my 24 world championship contests in less than eight years, they were mostly against combatants who did better against the pound-for-pound listed American-based fighters, these exceptionally difficult southpaws fighters in the States at the time, the highly-touted USA Olympic Gold winners, and former and future and reigning world title holders, probably many times. All opponents, apart from Gary Stretch, Sam Storey and Dan Schommer, were doing better against that kind of opposition than they were against me.

    "Maybe that was down to my unique ring style, maybe the magnitude of a Eubank fight in the United Kingdom, the big crowd, the seemingly odd behaviour. I don't know. But I was certainly one of the very best, and rather than walking a tight rope to discover if I was the very best, I was content to know I was one of them and making a good living to give my children a good start.

    "When I fought Mr Joe Calzaghe on 10 or 12 days notice, I saw no names on his record that I recognized. So I put him down as another Storey or Stretch and grossly underestimated the guy. He hit unbelievably hard back then before his hand and weight issues, harder than Carl Thompson. Sometimes I wish he came in with his ribs showing like he did later in his career, because those body shots he soaked up from me would've knocked him out. Other times I wish I took one step back to take him with one right uppercut in the last second.

    "But those three losses at the end of my career made me. It was perfect."
     
  2. Will

    Will Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eubank = Legend!!!

    And quite frankly anyyone that dissmisses him deserves to be dismissed!!!
     
  3. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I think that era might well have been better but I never enjoyed Eubanks fights. Benn was more entertaining and has the better CV in my view. He went to the US and beat guys, Eubanks was happy to ***** around with people like Dan Cherry.
     
  4. kayjay

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    One thing that's clear as day is, win loose or draw Froch would give any of the British SMW's one hell of a fight.
     
  5. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say that's clear as day. He wouldn't lay a glove on either Eubank or Benn and would find nothing but glove against Watson.
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    benn aint exactly hard to hit.
     
  7. Bulldog24

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    Probably the most awkward to hit whos name wasn't Whitaker or Graham. His ducking, slipping, bobbing and weaving was constant and non-rythmic, almost impossible to time.
     
  8. lepinthehood

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    eubanks wasnt that harrd to hit either, lets not make them out to be prime toney or jones jr. eubank was solid enough and skillful enough to beat froch with counters, not sure about benn he was hit alot and showed weariness alot if didnt knock you out straight away. and froch is the tougher,stronger man even if he isnt a better puncher. benn vs froch would be a decent fight.
     
  9. Trumpy

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    Lets also not forget , they were great British fighters ,, but they di'nt fight the best , Jones , Toney , and these fights were there to be made
     
  10. kayjay

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    Are we talking about the same Benn who was stopped by Eubank, knocked out with a jab by Watson and quit on his stool against Collins.
     
  11. Bulldog24

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    Eubank was never really touched with a left jab in his career, his subtle head slips were of the highest order. So that's Froch's best punch taken away straight away.
     
  12. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I'm talking about the mature Benn when he was super-middleweight. Eubank in their second fight, McClellan and Collins in their first fight desperately struggled to time their right hands on that stationary moving target, and Galvano was reduced to falling in to grab and foul; Wharton didn't know what to do (and was thoroughly outboxed).
     
  13. lepinthehood

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    well now i come to think of it, eubank would be a tough fight for froch.

    but the ducking and diving and bobbing and weaving of benn would only work while his speed and punch rate were high in the first 6rounds. i think froch as a slow starter may find it tough then but after that froch begins to take control, froch could possibly bully benn. . thats not too say benn cant stop froch but as the rounds dwindle, benn is big danger of getting stopped himself, very big danger.
    collins was quicker than froch but didnt hit as hard.
     
  14. Bulldog24

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    Collins was much bigger and stronger than Froch. He dwarfed Benn on those nights. His strength was unbelievable, Collins.
     
  15. lepinthehood

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    no he wasnt much stronger than froch :patsch
    froch is stronger.