I am a boxing manager: if you have questions about the boxing biz, ask!

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by dempsey1234, Dec 31, 2012.


  1. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The sums in domestic boxing here have generally been the same for quite a number of years.Take Jenkins no idea what kind of tickets he does,it helps on the way up.If he is a prospect the manager becomes a salesman in many ways selling your product to promoters,local businessmen that maybe fans that will contribute to training expenses as a investment.This depends a lot on the manager's own financial investment in a fighter.Guys to the point some managers would try to negotiate a contract where the prospect may get a wage instead of the fight purse.I will give you a example later of a wage contract of a fighter you will all know plenty about.

    It takes a lot of money to build a fighter and the returns should always be viewed long term just like you invest in any business from the start.You are not going to get a return or profit on everything you invest in business wise esp in boxing on every fighter quite the opposite.It can be thankless both sides but if you are talented you can certainly make it worthwhile.The hope is from the managers side is you find that golden prospect.The boxer domestically that breaks through certainly can do well.The Cleverly figure i gave as a ballpark because he i believe would of got a decent signing bonus this fight is just a testing of the water at his new weight.

    The sky card this weekend is from Wales so here is JC earnings under his first wage contract it will surprise a lot of you as we are talking only the 90's.
    The wage system to give you all an example Calzaghe was earning £300 a week under Micky Duff at the start of his career.He was struggling to pay his mortgage towards the end of that wage contract.He got a £3k loan set against his wages not even a signing on fee he signed without using a lawyer.His biggest regret in boxing,no legal representation to oversee what he was signing.He was happy because with the initial wage he could get a car and a mortgage...long term different of course.Duff RIP,shrewd cookie.

    You can do very well in this game but no such thing as a free meal in any walk of life,think long term both sides is my view legal advice a must.
     
  2. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Kevin Mitchell lost to Michael Katsidis actually four years ago this day he would of done one thing,earned a very decent purse in front of 20,000 at Upton Park West Ham football ground.He got six figures as did Katsidis.He blew his chance on the night,but he earned well.

    Guys he was less than a year earlier 2009,working on London Underground as a maintenance worker doing the night shift to support himself and his family.He would of earned more in that defeat than over two years of doing that job.You have to balance it up boxing provides many opportunities also.
     
  3. ai786

    ai786 Active Member Full Member

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    Why is pro boxing not being pushed into less say UAE, Dubai/Abu Dhabi where it could generate better purses, I've only seen a few cards promoted their.
     
  4. Ali Frazier

    Ali Frazier KO ARTIST Full Member

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    A little late to the party here and I'm not sure if someone asked already but whatever.
    Is the key to a successful career all in good management and fighting often?
     
  5. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A little of both but most important of all the fighter has to have the talent and marketability. You can have the best promoter, the best manager and have all the fights the fighter can possibly have but without the talent, and marketability it's going to be slow going.
     
  6. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Came across a tale today about Stanley Ketchell famous ATG fighter from the early 1900's.

    He was MW champion lost to Billy Papke in the second of four fights which he won three, he had been sucker punched at the start of the second contest,causing injuries to his neck then having his nose broken.

    Papke didn't want a third contest so Ketchells manager Willus Britt came up with the idea for Ketchell to disappear and word was put out he was depressed and now alcoholic.The press and public wanted a rematch and Papke's team eventually caved in.

    Ketchell had been training hard and won the MW title back 11th round stoppage.Papke beaten broken jaw had slacked off his training believing the stories.Two months,two weeks and four days after winning the title he was just another contender.
     
  7. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes sir M, keep 'em comin'
     
  8. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know various promoters have been talking but nothing seems to come of it, maybe someone else can give you a better answer.
     
  9. Hristo

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    I think that they are more interested in Submission Wrestling and MMA than boxing.
     
  10. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It should be interesting viewing tomorrow in NYC Cotto v Martinez.

    Cotto weighing in at nearly 156lb and Martinez near 159lb for the 160lb MW limit but the disparity in weight met by the fight purses.

    The fight purse confirmations Cotto $7m challenger and the WBC MW champion Martinez $1.5.

    Martinez the favourite on all things being equal except one important fact,Cotto draws the crowds in NYC and the PPV the A side fighter....whatever way it goes,money talks.
     
  11. -vincenzo-

    -vincenzo- New Member Full Member

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    Let's say you were given a young talented prospect who you now want to get into the Top 15 rankings of one of the big four, how would you proceed step by step?
     
  12. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    What's your opinion on late bloomers in the game, like Maravilla for instance? Say you saw a guy in his 30's no amatuer experience, but he's such a natural that he more than holds his own with younger fighters, is the fighter worth the gamble to promote? Esp if he's of Mexican, Puerto Rican descent? Is that a double whammy in terms of marketing, easier to sell, promote? Thanks in advance.
     
  13. Ali Frazier

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    Ah I see.
    Is marketability all the Boxer's natural charm and charisma or is it in the hands of the promoter doing their job correctly?

    I mean from what I can see, Bermane Stiverne has the personality of a wet sponge but he's Heavyweight champion :eek:
     
  14. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's say he has a good record, could be any number, what matters most is that the prospect has somebody or some promoter lobbying for him. Or you can try getting a win over somebody that means something to one of the big 4. If you have a promoter he can "shop" the top 15, usually picking the weakest of the 15, a guy that the prospect is sure to beat.
    That's why all the big, and small promoters attend the various big 4 annual conventions, to lobby for their guys.
     
  15. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It will be a hard sell, but it really depends on the guy. If I had a guy like the one you describe I would try building him locally and see if there is any buzz. If he can create a local fan base then somebody will get behind him.
    It really comes down to the guy, being Mexican-Puerto Rican, helps but only so much.