Roach " Martinez Chin. Not Good

LavelleFuxwell · Jun 6, 2014

dan4579 said: ↑

I should add he said Tyson was a quicker, more explosive puncher. Then he said in terms of shear impact, Wlad hits harder.
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I believe that as well. He said it was very close and keep in mind the version of Tyson that Roach worked with didnt have the same speed of the 80's or even 90's Tyson. His comment you mentioned about Mike being more explosive makes sense when considering the way they both handled their lone common opponent Frans Botha. It's easier for a fighter to see longer range punches coming than it is to see shorter quicker ones. Tyson's speed and lower body power is what made his punches so explosive.

Dorfmeister · Jun 6, 2014

That's it, it's time! Roach should leave the game and get institutionalized before putting fathers of families in jeopardy. Now, Miguel Cotto is Earnie Shavers or Ron Lyle? What is going on in this sick man's head? Cotto is gonna trade and gets brutalized for Chrissake. Nobody is gonna look out for him b'sides Roach? Nobody of the Cotto family? What a disaster! Bet the house in Martinez.

Pimp C · Jun 6, 2014

I think they both have shaky chins not the best. With that said Sergio has faced bigger punchers.

KO KIDD · Jun 6, 2014

Coming up I always felt Cotto was a KO waiting to happen

Corely rocked him bad, Torres rocked him bad, Judah was able to hurt him and so was Mosley

But it took real beasts like Margarito and Manny to stop him and he has seemed sturdier over time

I always have picked Martinez to destroy Cotto and just about any big volume puncher like a Paul Williams to crush him but Martinez is past his best and injury prone

JM22 · Jun 6, 2014

IntentionalButt said: ↑

From tonight just after the FS1 boxing card:

Roach always talks a lot of bull****, and yet from watching him over the years I've developed a sense of when he actually believes what he is saying and he does seem to feel Cotto will be able to knock Martinez out. :think
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Cotto knocks Mayweather on a rematch?? :bart this guy is losing it!

dan4579 · Jun 6, 2014

LavelleFuxwell said: ↑

I believe that as well. He said it was very close and keep in mind the version of Tyson that Roach worked with didnt have the same speed of the 80's or even 90's Tyson. His comment you mentioned about Mike being more explosive makes sense when considering the way they both handled their lone common opponent Frans Botha. It's easier for a fighter to see longer range punches coming than it is to see shorter quicker ones. Tyson's speed and lower body power is what made his punches so explosive.
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I like the Botha comparison, but I'm not sure that Botha was the same guy as the one Tyson fought. I know he wasn't as highly thought of, but was that because he had lost, or because his skills were actually diminished?

I really don't know. I wasn't actually studying a bunch of Botha film or a member of his fan club, believe it or not lol

daprofessor · Jun 6, 2014

the funny thing....when pac does all this bull****...catchweights etc...it's cool. but when cotto does it, it's not good?

lmao! smh.

rojoparanoico · Jun 7, 2014

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Well, technically, nothing in those statements contradict each other.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2YCG7mmPXc

retriever · Jun 8, 2014

Imperial1 said: ↑

"If you let your hands go he's hittable and he don't have that good a chin. Chavez is a not a big puncher. He's a pretty good puncher, but not as good as Miguel. When Miguel hits him once it's over," Roach told ***********.com.
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Guess he doesn't realize what kind of chin Cotto is packing !
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YOUR SAYING? Roach gets lot of sh!+ in this forum but atleast Freddie backs his own words.

IntentionalButt · Jun 8, 2014

IntentionalButt said: ↑

From tonight just after the FS1 boxing card:

IntentionalButt said: ↑

Michael Hill interviews Freddie Roach on Fox Sports Live.

Hill asks how & why they have clicked so well and so quickly.

Roach says he learned Cotto's mistakes and flaws when Pacquiao fought him, and he uses the foundation of knowing his weaknesses as knowing what to work on. He says Cotto is among the most disciplined and hardest workers he ever met.

Hill asks what flaws & weaknesses he is referring to and how Roach has cleaned them up.

Roach says Cotto spends too much time on the ropes and over the years got away from his left hook on the body, so there has been a lot of drilling the idea of staying off the ropes and working that money punch.

Hill asks what if Roach had trained Cotto earlier, could he possibly have avoided some or all of his four losses?

Roach says they get along great and camp runs smoothly, everything is cooperative and non-adversarial and they are like family. He says he doesn't like watching Cotto's old fights, including the losses, because he is a different fighter now. He says it would be hard to say what might happen differently if they were together back then. He says dwelling on the past is no good. Roach says Cotto has more tools now and has ring generalship, which is something Roach has passed on and was passed onto him by Eddie Futch - and something Martinez is poor at.

Roach says after Martinez he and Cotto are gunning for a rematch with Floyd Mayweather, because Cotto feels that with Roach in his corner he could knock Mayweather out.

Hill of course asks Roach about Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, and Roach says he thinks and hopes they will probably fight soon, maybe before the end of this year. Roach doesn't think Mayweather is scared necessarily, but says that he knows Pacquiao will give him problems and that it will be tough for both of them.

Hill asks Roach about Martinez. Roach says he is a good athlete, with great natural speed and some other assets, including conditioning from years of soccer, but he is not that good a boxer. He says he (Roach) and Cotto boxed from a young age, so the skills are ingrained, but Martinez is now in deep water as he never learned the craft that well and just relied on his speed and conditioning until now.

Roach says Cotto is even more disciplined and has a greater work ethic than Pacquiao.

Hill asks whether venturing up to middleweight could be challenging. Roach says he is confident in Cotto eating and training right and being comfortable at 160. He says they will use their superior boxing skills and test just how fast Martinez is. He says he will eventually tell Cotto to finish him off when he sees that Martinez is ready, and Cotto will increase the pressure and shut him down and knock him out.
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Roach always talks a lot of bull****, and yet from watching him over the years I've developed a sense of when he actually believes what he is saying and he does seem to feel Cotto will be able to knock Martinez out. :think
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Knew that wasn't lip service...

Imperial1 · Jun 8, 2014

He was off his head couldn't take a punch :good

Gneus7 · Jun 8, 2014

Eat your words people. Roach was right.

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