**The real question is: Does GGG has the resume to deserve a fight against Cotto?**

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  1. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Incorrect. While Cotto may in fact opt not to fight GGG, if the fight happens it will be PPV. Cotto is a bigger star than JCCjr and that fight was going to be PPV. GGG's TV ratings and boxing media visibility are PPV level now. Especially since we are talking B-side.

    There are basically two metrics looked at by promoters:

    Credibility: That is, the more credible opponent for the A-side. This is what prompts fans of the A-side to buy. Fans of the A-side are more likely to buy a fight when he faces a credible opponent.

    Drawing power: How many fans does the B-side bring to the table, in addition to the A-side fans.

    Golovkin is the most credible guy at 160, period. Every major ranking and media outlet has had him as #1 for a long time now behind only the lineal. Can you really imagine a Cotto fan not buying his PPV against GGG? He is facing Geale who is Ring#2 next. If he gets past Geale theres not a single member of boxing media who would say GGG is not the most credible guy at 160.

    He is also a minor draw. Not a major draw like Canelo or Cotto, but he obviously does have a significant fanbase on his own. We will find out what his drawing power is shortly by how many tickets he sells for Geale at MSG.

    Keep in mind also, that GGG will take a lot less money to get in the ring than a fellow A-sider like Canelo. This is important, because we are not talking a minor difference - we are talking an 8-figure difference in likely purse demands. Canelo or Mayweather certainly is a much larger fight than GGG - but they are also difficult fights to make, and oddly enough chances are Cotto himself would make less money.
     
  2. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    It might be on PPV but it's definitely not going to sell anything remotely close to Cotto-Alvarez. Cotto-Martinez' PPV numbers should decide if a fight with GGG will be on PPV or not. If Cotto-Martinez sells anything below $350k then I assure you a GGG fight won't be on PPV.

    Sadly, fans of the A sides are also fans that recognize what the A side actually is. Which obviously means hardcore fans the hardcore fans will never be the ones that would bring good PPV numbers. It's the casuals that the general public targets which is why Cotto-Alvarez is their main target IF he beats Lara. I assure you if he loses to Lara, Lara won't be considered and GGG will most likely be their next target simply because the majority/casuals won't give a damn about a fight with Lara.

    GGG will have to take less money for a fight with Cotto because, as previously stated, he's not a draw and not even close in comparison. This is a fight GGG will have to take and accept regardless of demands due to the fact that it will be his very first major event and on PPV. It's like how Cotto gave Trout a shot when very few wanted to fight him. The Cotto fight was the doorway to bigger fights and general recognition for Trout, which is why he got the Alvarez fight immediately after it.

    We will have to wait and see how many viewers will tune-in for GGG-Geale to truly decide if he's going to be a PPV attraction going in against Cotto. At the moment though, he's not and not even close. It takes a major event/win for someone to finally score a PPV headliner. Something similar to Trout's win over Cotto on regular HBO.
     
  3. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are right it wouldnt sell as much as Canelo fight, absolutely. But Canelo will have his own demands - not least of which would be 8 figure purse guarantee - probably 12 to 15 range. GGG signed the Chavez fight for 2m. So who does Cotto make more money fighting? You also noted Golovkin would be a heck of a lot cheaper - no one is disputing that he would have to take less money than either Cotto or Canelo. Not at all.. in fact, far less money. They showed they were willing to take far less when they signed Chavez fight though.

    As for scoring a PPV event.. Chavez/GGG was going to be PPV and neither had scored a win like you are describing. Events are PPV when a promoter and network decide to make it one. Apparently they thought two minor draws around the 1.4m Nielson mark on HBO with differing fanbases warranted it. Too bad that fight was not made, it would have been very interesting to see the sales. (and ofc, the actual fight :verysad ). Scoring a huge win is a great springboard to PPV level notoriety when you can do it, but its not the only way.
     
  4. Stilt Skinner?

    Stilt Skinner? Active Member Full Member

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    Well said.
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Rodriguez earned a shot, then I know trip G has earned one. The only difference is one earned a shot to take an ass whooping and the other has earned a shot to give an ass whooping.
     
  6. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    come on, this is silly. of course Golovkin should be the guy you fight to prove your worth. doing anything less just shows how shaken everyone is about the guy.

    Cotto should call him out if he beats Geale and show the world he means business. a win there, then he'll prove his Middleweight credentials. if he does anything else, he's nothing but a fake at Middle.
     
  7. kartog

    kartog Agent Smith Full Member

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    Golovkin isn't picking on Cotto as his first big fight. Didn't the Chavez fight nego turn bad due to Jr's extension foulup with Top Rank? What about Martinez and how DiBella on record avoided Gennady for his ward?

    What is this, collective amnesia or worse, involuntary moments of stupidity?
     
  8. kartog

    kartog Agent Smith Full Member

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    Now that Cotto is the lineal champ at middleweight, of course Golovkin should call him out. Who else do you think he should fight in order to get a "name" on his resumĂȘ?
     
  9. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Orishaman is back? Damn..
     
  10. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Please Cotto"s resumes stacks up against any of the elite fighter of today....anyone!
     
  11. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Cotto has a limited amount of fights in him, the way he and his team chooses might be for money and to reinforced an already HOF career!!

    So, what opponents will help Cotto with this task:

    1.PBF
    2. Paquiao, catch weight will never happen ....I don't think
    3. Canelo
    4. JCCjr
    5. GGG

    so....GGG has lots of work to move up that list!
     
  12. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    If Cotto stays at 160, which 160 fighters deserves the fight over GGG?

    Please explain.
     
  13. Orishaman

    Orishaman I tell it like it is.... Full Member

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    Legacy power.... Which GGG has nothing to offer or contribute...

    Did you read the post response.... Because I believed my point was clear!!
     
  14. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Your avoiding my question.

    If Cotto is staying at middleweight then GGG is the most deserving fighter out there, he is the number 1 in most peoples eyes anyhow.

    I like how all of a sudden Canelo is this unbeatable phenom. Prior to the Mayweather fight people were claiming he was overhyped and just been beating up on welterweights. Amazing how people change their views to fit in with certain agendas.
     
  15. Odins beard

    Odins beard Fentanyl is one hell of a drug.... Full Member

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    Plus you can't build a legacy at a certain weight by fighting men from a lower division.

    And how the hell does JCCjr enhance his resume more than Golovkin