Boxing Judges: Are they incompetent or are they bought?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JacK Rauber, Jun 22, 2014.


  1. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Exactly right. I couldn't remember the guys name but, yes, I remember it well. And your right, because boxing is so decentralized (at least externally) the opportunity for abuse and exploitation is mammoth, AND IT IS.
     
  2. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Both.

    But one would be a complete moron to think some are not corrupt. There are decisions where it is abundantly clear that is cannot be incompetence because the decision is so poor.
     
  3. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Uh huh. What about Zou Shiming right now? He may not YET be fighting for a championship but do you really think this guy is world class talent? Yet they bill him as the Second Coming. This is clearly a play on the huge and still untapped market in China. But the guy is a zero. A total bust. But they are going to make you think he is something special.

    Let us never forget that regardless of what we want to believe, professional sports are about money, who can make it and who can control it. We all want to believe it is about the sport but it is not. It is about the money.
     
  4. Clearly Cool

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    You don't need a confession, look at the situations.

    A good example would be DLH vs. Sturm. Everyone was gearing up for Hopkins-DLH at middle weight, it was a superfight, unification etc. etc. lots and lots of money on the line.

    All DLH and Bhop had to do was get past their warm up fights.

    Sturm beat DLH fair and square. No question. Could be called close at a stretch...but a clear win for Sturm.

    Judges have DLH winning a mixed decision, allowing the major fight to continue and keep the blemish of of DLHs record.

    It is extremely clear this wasn't a case of the judges getting it wrong, ie incompetence, the result was clear and just happened to save many powerful interests a lot of money.
     
  5. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    what does this have to do with the topic you created on boxing judges?

    Zou Shiming has 10 times more talent that Denotay Wilder. and look how they have played him up....he hasnt fought a live body since he turned pro.
    with the 5 million titles out there, yes Zou can win some version of a belt and be called a champion one day.
     
  6. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    yes sturm kicked his ass.
    but to say judges are paid off is just ignorant. maybe they are that horrible.
    the judges got the judah vs baldomir decesion correct and there was a huge PPV vs Mayweather that was supposed to be next. what happened there? they voted for the guy with 9 losses over the titlist Judah. But didnt matter, boxing is so sad that they just ignored the loss and let him fight mayweather next anyway.
    ps
    lets just all believe in GOD too, because we dont need any proof of that either, we can just take your word on that as well :lol:
     
  7. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    And another, more obvious one was the Johnny Boudreaux-Scott LeDeux fight. Don King was pushing Boudreaux but unfortunately LeDeux didn't get the memo and beat him up badly. The judges awarded the fight to Boudreaux but the decision in this case was so egregious charges were filed against King who, I believe was found guilty. So, on rare occasions when things are just TOO obvious, people have been convicted.

    But, yes, it goes on all the time. I would go so far as to say almost 100% of the important fights are pre-determined. It is not obvious in most instances because all the variables are known going in. Of course, the only time this show is disrupted is if the "opponent" oops KO's the "golden boy."
     
  8. Clearly Cool

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    You're an idiot. Can you prove that they aren't being paid off...it's the same argument you're presenting.

    Obviously, not every single result is fixed or corrupt, but I have to say you scream ignorance if you think it is all just bad judging.
     
  9. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Zou Shiming has everything to do with this discussion. He epitomizes the preordained "champion." Preordained because that is where the money is.

    Deontay Wilder is a red herring. He is the one who has no relevance to this discussion. They will ride that horse as long as it performs.
     
  10. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's a good point, but, the world of boxing has a lot of unscrupulous people who are used as proxies by organized crime, or who are associated with the underworld. Having the threat of death, or violence, hanging over your head is enough for guys like Doug foud and cj Ross to keep quiet during and after their careers.
     
  11. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Amen