By request: A Summary of Calzaghe's career

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by errsta, Apr 19, 2008.


  1. golfer3939a

    golfer3939a New Member Full Member

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    There'sa a difference between best in division, p4p and ATG.

    JC is the best in his division.
    P4P, not even close.
    ATG, Name one JC Superfight Victory. I define Superfight as two fighters in or this/close to their prime in a fight everyone in the world wants to see. Hagler/Hearns..Leonard/Hearns..Ali/Frazier..
    I mean this fight was sooooo big, it wasn't even PPV nor was it a sellout.
    JC is a very good fighter. But please stop with this ATG stuff it's just wrong.
     
  2. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hopefully Calzahge has enough left to take a few more fights because there are some good ones out there that could make him an ATG.
     
  3. golfer3939a

    golfer3939a New Member Full Member

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    There sure are..
    I think Pavlik should be his next fight.
    I like KP. But he has not seen a crafty fighter like JC.
    But KP brings big time power, the most JC has faced in his career.
    I don't mind the RJJ fight..
    JC wins that..
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Let's go to the other side of the train and glorify his run now, which can be easily justified to the fullest -

    - Beat a fit Eubank in 97, Collins ducked him because Calzaghe would have stopped his ass. 1 good name that ducked Mr. Supernatural. A very good win here, he ****ed Eubank up while he was still green.

    - Beat a prime Robin Reid who was fully focused, a worthy adversary, shut him out first 5 rounds, emotions got him and fought Reid's fight, won the last round and sealed the deal. Close but clear decision over a prime Reid.

    - Trashed Omar Sheika, whom was coming off of a win over Glen Johnson no less, arguably ruined this guy's career.

    - Fought a good fight with top 10 contender Woodhall, busted him up and TKO'd him in the 10th, a fair win here.

    - Beat Charles Brewer very wide, 10 rounds to 2.

    - Fought Mario Veit, TKO'd him in 1, the manner in which he won makes this a fair win.

    - At this point a fight with Reggie Johnson fell through, Ottke ducked him, Beyer ducked him, a fight with Hopkins in 2002 was attempted to be made, that'd have been a much greater fight than the recent and outside problems put his career in doubt.

    - Crushed Byron Mitchell in 2, same guy whom had TKO'd Liles, beaten Siaca, got jobbed against Ottke in germany and had been competitive with everybody he fought or won simply. A good win.

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    - Veit rematch, #1 contender sadly for his title, dominated him and TKO'd him in six. Afterwards Veit went on to win a decision over Jurgen Braehmer, a decent fighter.

    - Lacy fight, dominated every round, biggest shutout in a unification match in a long time, absolute brutality, this brought him the P4P recognition he deserved.

    - Beat Bika in an ugly brawl, Bika went on to win the contender and greatly trouble Lucian bute.

    - Outclasses Mikkel Kessler in the first Undisputed SMW title clash in history, a great win here.

    - Beats Hopkins for the Ring LHW title, an older Hopkins, but one who had come in great shape with a great camp, an ugly win and only a fair win at best, but one over a big name none the less and an experienced vet. Was dissapointed myself, but these things happen.

    ..........

    Books not even closed yet, I'd say that's a pretty fine resume myself, if you think that's a **** resume then you are blind. It's not what it could have been, but it's very good and can get better depending on what he does.
     
  5. greengloves

    greengloves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you know better than to say that amsterdam,no way in hell collins ducked calzaghe.i respect your posts but that is simply blatant lying and nuthuggery
     
  6. golfer3939a

    golfer3939a New Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying it's ****.
    But it's not Sugar Ray Leonard's ,Hagler's, Duran's or Monzone's..
    And from what I'm getting from some out in cyberspace is that JC's is equal.
    I don't even need to write 500 words and you know the above fighters had better years than JC's total career in terms of big fights.
    But JC is a very good fighter.
    He's not legendary though..
     
  7. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Find me somebody active that ranks with those guys, you won't find any period. Not even Jones, resume wise.

    Where?

    You're dealing with top 25 ATG's there, I'm discussing his standing now and in his generation and possible ATG ranking depending on what he does, not comparable.

    He's more than just very good and he's a British legend.
     
  8. Frankwhite

    Frankwhite New Member Full Member

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    yes that was a good fight!
     
  9. gruuby

    gruuby CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL Full Member

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    Althouth I think Joe ain't ****, this is so ****ing true. Hope I never see BHop fight again.
     
  10. errsta

    errsta Boxing Addict banned

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    Name a great -hell, even a very good - prime fighter that Calzaghe beat. You can't.

    Of course part of the problem is that the 168 division Calzaghe "reigned" over was not a particularly deep one. Despite the lack of depth, did he ever unify the division? Nope. For the majority of his career, the 175 division had TWO dominant champions in Jones and Micheladfalkjfaslkfjasldfjski. Did he move up to challenge them. Nope.

    What Calzaghe did over and over ad nauseam is fight mandatories put forth by the WBO. Yes - the WBO. The least respected of the four sanctioning bodies.

    And he did 99% of this from the comforts of Cardiff.

    Talented fighter? Absolutely.

    Dominant Super Middleweight? Yes, albeit over a weak division.

    All Time Great? Give me a ****ing break.
     
  11. errsta

    errsta Boxing Addict banned

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    A very good fighter late in his career in Eubank and a 43 year old All Time Great fighter years removed from a great performance.

    Oh - and a bunch of guys like Charles Brewer. JC's resume makes "Reluctant Roy's" look like a murderer's row.
     
  12. errsta

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    the sting of truth upsets you?
     
  13. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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  14. errsta

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    This statetment I can agree with. Had Hopkins opted to fight instead of opting to not get hit, he would have been beaten more convincingly in the 2nd half of the fight (the half JC dominated). Hopkins was spent and was in survival mode.
     
  15. errsta

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    A friendly reminder to anyone still in denial