Reality Check about GGG at SMW.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Jul 26, 2014.



  1. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    I thought Geale may have had a chance I went out on a limb and the limb broke. GGG is unbeatable at middleweight there is no one who is a credible threat to him currently. Cotto and Canelo would be beaten to a pulp, neither would stand a chance. He can stay there and try to unify but I can't imagine after his destruction of Geale, Cotto or Quillen will even consider fighting him, and no one cares enough about 40yo Soliman to make that fight, he has no fanbase whatsoever outside of Australia, it would be a finacial dud, but it would get him an easy belt.

    He can stay there and get some fights that could make him money like Kirkland who would be stopped in one round, Lemieux would be fun while it lasted, Rubio could possibly go the distance but nobody gives a ****. Angulo and his body work almost stopped Lara, the way GGG cuts off the ring and his body shots, it would be a walk in the park for GGG.
    Korobov is not yet skilled enough to be a credible challenge. Murray blew all his unearned goodwill after his decent showing against Maravilla, but a shot Martinez hurt Murray, GGG destroys him.

    Gennady Golovkin is a monster at middleweight, but the middleweight division is relatively weak.

    Super Middleweight is NOT
    Geale, Adama, Macklin, Proksa, Stevens, are all good fighters that are on the same level with Periban, Sjekloca, Love, Stieglitz and Edwin Rodriguez, which are the weaker top contenders at SMW. The top of the MW division is on par with mid-level SMW's.

    Everyone is really high on GGG with good reason, but they need to get a grip, Andre Ward and Carl Froch are top P4P for a reason they are very hard to beat, GGG will not steamroll them and anyone who thinks that he will are buying the hype a little too much and deluding themselves.

    Chavez Jr, Bika, Groves, Kessler, both Dirrells, Degale, Abraham all pose a serious threat to GGG and stylistic challenges, as well as Chudinov, Callum Smith, and Gilberto Ramirez, are potential future threats.

    The Geale win was real good but Geale is no Ward or Froch.
     
  2. Mike T

    Mike T Well-Known Member Full Member

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    chavez gets wiped out.
     
  3. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree that Froch and Ward are very very tough fights. The other SMW you listed, not so much. Other than maybe Kessler, who is one tough mofo. I just dont think he has it in him to win, though it would be a very watchable fight.

    Chavez Jr gets outboxed and pulverized. Dirrells get walked down and through, Bika is no better than Geale even with 8 extra pounds. Groves could be a challenge in a year or so, he is young and will improve. Ramirez will be a great fight in about 2 years.
     
  4. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward beats GGG I think, Froch could go either way, GGG beats Chavez, Groves and Abraham although most of the fights you have listed would be more competitive than his fights are now at 160 lbs.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    It would love to see him end the Dirrell brothers, Bika is tough as hell though, but probable GGG win.
    Chavez Jr would go the distance he has a better chin than Stevens, and subtle defense like his dad, he may do better than people think.

    Groves when he gets his confidence back would be a legit threat. I hope Ramirez is as good as I think he is, because that will be a brutal fight.
     
  6. dlts20

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    I think the Matrix would beat him
     
  7. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Andre Dirrell would gave him a tough fight, I also thought he could have made it close with Ward before he stopped fighting.
     
  8. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chavez has a chin, I am not sure whether that is a good thing or a bad one in that fight. When he covers up and plants his feet I have to wonder how long his liver holds out though.

    You are right, watching Golovkin pound on the Dirrells actually would be pretty entertaining. They are both Haymon guys though and not even titlists, so probably not a makable fight - I dont really consider them at 168. Same with Bika TBH. Bika may in fact go the distance, I give him a better chance than anyone but Froch and Ward. Again, Haymon though.

    Part of the reason I am not hot on GGG officially moving to 168, and just want to see him in big PPV is so many of the contender level guys and Bika are Haymon. Abraham not likely to leave his comfortable home perch in Germany, he is in Sturm mode now in the twilight of his career. I dont see him flying to the US to take a beating either.
     
  9. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    Froch is a warrior, but he is past prime and The Cobra always holds his left hand too low, that spells disaster against GGG!

    Interestingly, Jamie Moore (on UK Sky) put Froch forward as a possible future opponent for GGG, yet Tony Bellew (who is a good friend of Froch's) made absolutely no comment in response! In fact Bellew had been saying that he cannot see how anyone (at around that weight) can beat GGG!

    My guess is that Froch and Bellew (who regularly train together) have discussed GGG as a potential opponent and Froch has decided to "not persue" such a fight.

    Ward-vs-Golovkin appears to be (on paper at least) the only genuine 50/50 fight for GGG below 175. Though I do agree with you that there are far more interesting match-ups for Golovkin at 168, then at 160, where there is only one (Quillin).

    It isn't who Golovkin beats that is so impressive (though he has beat a couple of genuine world class fighters) it is the manner of the victories that make you go "Whoa, this guy could prove to be a HOF fighter".
     
  10. CST80

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    Same here he is in a real bind, the MW's don't want to fight him and SMW's may be to much or hard to land fightwise.
    Big money PPV's with Cotto and Canelo would be amazing and realistically have little to no chance of happening.
     
  11. Xelloss

    Xelloss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe if he had kept fighting. I dont see how a guy so long out of it, who almost certainly has inner doubts about the state of his brain after the Abraham fight could summon that inner strength to make it 12 with GGG.

    Someone running for 12 rounds successfully just seems unlikely to me as well. Ward can fight well at any range and give different looks, Dirrell can only do one thing well. So I class Ward as a super hard fight, and Andre as a pretty easy one.
     
  12. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dirrell speed and movement would gave GGG and Ward problems, and make both fights competitive in my opinion.
     
  13. dublynflya

    dublynflya Stand your ground Son!! Full Member

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    An on form, mature and motivated Andre Dirrell vs- GGG would be a great fight!!

    I had actually forgot about "The Matrix" due to his inactivity! I mean, the guy has only fought once in 2 1/2 years, and that was against a journeyman. Who knows how much Dirrell has left?
     
  14. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dirrell is a ***** runner, in what ****in world does he even belong in the convo? If ggg fought that ***** he'd cave his face in within five rounds. Only a ***** would root for that clown
     
  15. Beatdaddy

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    Yeah, I think a move to SMW is inevitable. It's either that or shed a few pounds and drop to 154 and shake up that division. I'd say there is more money and drama at SMW for GGG, though. A move is coming. I just hope they don't linger at MW too long. If Cotto won't get in the ring, they really need to gear up for a division change. There really isn't any PPV opportunities at MW outside of Cotto, or Canelo if he moved up, but Canelo should stay at 154, IMO.