How close would the winner of the upcoming Gavin-Bundu fight be to a Top 10 ranking at WW, Matt? :think
Welterweight is pretty deep. I think neither man would make it based upon that win. What do you think?
I think Welterweight is the deepest division in boxing, both currently and historically. The WW rankings are going to be interesting in the next few months. You got Brook-Porter, Mayweather-Maidana II, Pacquiao-Algieri, and Khan-Guerrero/Alexander.
I think Bundu lurks just outside the Top 10 as it is, and you could make a case that his resume is just about as good as Brook's. Adding Gavin to it might allow him to slide in, depending on what happens with Brook-Porter. If Gavin wins, he probably takes Bundu's contender-in-waiting slot.
The P4P TBRB is very poor. Garcia just lost to Herrera. No Stevenson? No 3G? Floyd still at number 1 after nearly losing to Maidana and Pac beating Bradley, who is actually rated P4P universally? Needs work fellas. Appreciate the concept, but the end product isn't much deviation from mainstream bad sources.
No, he didn't. And we didn't overturn it. But I could agree with you that he could be removed. No. Absolutely not. Does anyone rank him top ten? No. He's only beaten one ranked fighter. I wouldn't rank him above Roman Gonzalez based upon that win. Yes. If you want to appeal to universality, you need to take into account that Floyd is almost universally ranked ahead of Pacquiao. I think your take on p4p is different to most.
That was a clear robbery. There's no way to score it for him and Herrera's recent outings include an L to the very dull Karim Mayfield. At least you feel he can be removed, he isn't elite quality IMO, but that's debate. He won the lineal title via KO1, crushed a few other ranked contenders in the process. I am not feeling his ducking of Kovalev at all, but if we're going to rank D Garcia, who just got his lineal championship from a competitive fight with Matthysse and just got a gift decision against a fringer... I think he fits the bill. No. He's only beaten one ranked fighter. I wouldn't rank him above Roman Gonzalez based upon that win. I feel P4P should be current and up to date. Floyd's recent outings include unspectacular and unranked Robert Guerrero, who should never have been ranked even as high as 5 at Welter, Canelo and a very close W to Maidana. I scored the Maidana fight a draw. Needless to say, the guy's not fighting the top opposition in his own weight class, nor the class he is holding the belt to above his preferred weight and hasn't looked all that impressive. The Canelo fight indeed was sketchy with the weight draining. Pacquaio has the KO loss, but do we take into account JMM is P4P ranked and JMM has been showing all of the traits of a roid abuser? And do we take into account that Bradley is P4P ranked and Pac just decisively beat him for the second time? I feel that's superior to Mayweather's recent showings. But if you disagree, then what would you say if Maidana 2 is also very close and controversial? I feel it should be a mix of resume, up to date resume and ability and other factors. Do we say a W is a W or do decisive/dominant victories count for more than close? Also, Rigo is way too low, though he is not the most active. This will change with new promotion. You guys have him under Wlad Klitschko and only right over D Garcia. Not too low?
Froch also IMO should be 9 or 10, Rigo moving up to around 5 or 6, perhaps higher. Rigo is flawless lately.
Yeah, Stevenson and Garcia probably don't have miles between them, but I think you probably regard yourself as an army of one in seeing him as a lock for the top ten. There's nothing really wrong with that, but again, you're not a million miles from a unique viewpoint seeing Pacquiao as clearly above Mayweather p4p. The majority would disagree clearly.
:thumbsup Bundu's resume does outrank Brook's, for me. If he adds Gavin that removes any doubt whatsoever.
My guess is that he and Porter will switch, but Porter could end up at 10 and yes indeed you could argue #5 for Brook. What does everyone else think?
come here to eat crow, i criticised brooks ranking before the fight because of his relatively low level of opposition, i was wrong