Serious question about PED use in boxing?

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  1. Super Hans

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    Excellent post.

    To me, it seems that post British posters on this thread are more against than others who are fine to have it swept under the carpet. Not sure what the cultural difference is there. :think
     
  2. Super Hans

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    I believe Vitali was only caught as an amateur am I right? :think
     
  3. Rock0052

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    It's a much more complicated solution than that. How do we resolve these issues?

    1) Where does the money come from to develop and implement the tests?

    2) How do testing organizations overcome the first-mover advantage that PED chemists have?

    3) How can the fans trust that the people who profit off of juiced-up athletes' accomplishments will adequately police themselves in terms of policy and execution?

    One may come up with a solution to #1 and #3, but the sad fact is that dynamic #2 will always be in place.

    That's why spending extra money on additional drug testing is like throwing more band-aids on a severe chainsaw wound.

    Requiring additional testing may make fans feel better and provide an image boost, but all you're really doing is redirecting the loopholes athletes use from one substance to another untestable one.
     
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    It is a level playing field when everyone's at it, and I'm no sympathizer just a realist.

    You should work harder on your research before making threads like this. No offence intended but you come over as naive on this subject.
     
  5. detamour

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    was it not floyd that started the testing crusade? not nonito donaire, who was advised by a convicted drug dealer!!
     
  6. Super Hans

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    No you come across as naive on the subject. What evidence have you got that they are all at it, and why do you think so few fail drug test and most of them that do are black Americans? :think
     
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    I'm out, no point going round in circles. Plenty of stuff out there if you look.. :good
     
  8. Ph33rknot

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    you forgot Vitali
     
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    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    And everyone at the top is on something don't close your eyes just accept it
     
  10. sunny

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    This^
     
  11. FutureChampGG

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    Incorrect and the wrong attitude to take even if it was true.
     
  12. detamour

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    floyd and drugs? who ran from this very testing. was it not pac after floyd accepted every demand set down by criminal bob? There is no overall governing body in this sport fools!! You have floyd to thank for bringing this to the fore. NOTE, FLOYD IS NOT IN HOC TO A CRIMINALLY CONVICTED DRUG DEALER LIKE VADA IS RIGHT!!
     
  13. dodong

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    tell floyd to release his test records and usada to explain what is the "inadvertent use" excuse.

     
  14. Rock0052

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    The bottom line is this: Extra PED testing is an unmitigated failure in boxing.

    They have not reduced PED usage in the past, they can not reduce PED usage in the present, and they will not reduce PED usage in the future.

    It's simply a marketing tool to create the impression of clean, honest sport. People cling to the call for them and ignore that the extra testing is still beatable so they can avoid the harsh truth that PED's are systemic in boxing (and all high level sports) and have been for decades, and there is no easy solution to fix it.

    Fans want the quick fix, and are latching on the extra testing as a sort of litmus test. Like it or not, additional testing does not reduce PED usage. It redirects PED usage. That's it.
     
  15. FutureChampGG

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    It's a cancer that needs to be fought not accepted because fan boys can't face the fact that their heroes accomplishments were built on lies and cheating (Jones, Toney etc).

    And yes definitely appears to be more of an issue with American athletes / fans. This whole 'everyone is doing it' nonsense is just a way for them to justify their fanboydom of their cheater heroes.