Performance enhancing drugs and Boxing

someone got scared and ran, that's why all this talk about peds.

now corpsejr has come full circle and *****s still in denial.

 

Why should everyone assume everyone is on PED's, so that we can all have the piece of mind that everything went down as it should, as it would've regardless? And what response should we have one guy gets caught after a contest and the other doesn't? Should we rally behind the one who was caught and ignorantly shout, "hey, he was probably on it too!!" Where is our piece of mind during that situation?

 

So there was no purpose to this thread other than the long known "life isn't fair" spiel?

 

I did read it. I should have just said the fat to muscle myth is...a myth. You explained it fine in layman's terms....I just had/have major issue with the fat to muscle...or anyone saying muscle to fat, ever! Especially when explaining something to an audience of mixed life experiences, academic backgrounds, differing fitness levels/goals, different levels of exposure to high level sport.....myth speak shouldn't get involved because it just further enhances incorrect pre-conceived notions for some, enhances bias in some, misinforms those who may want to learn, etc etc. It's just me being anal....no worries.

 

Designer drugs may be undetectable for a period of time until testing (more importantly a reasonable cost to perform the testing) catches up, but they are not the real difference between getting caught or not. Knowledge of active half lives and detection times would help any athlete or their "trainer" beat T/E ratio and/or CIR with relative ease. The designer drugs are flashy and probably carry much less risk of detection, but tried tested and true compounds used for decades are still being used and passing testing, if there even is any.

 

Evander Holyfield never used steroids. It was God's will that had him walking through Tysons straight right off his back foot !

 

Red blood stimulants like EPO for stamina and Growth Hormone for recovery are easily the most common drugs used in boxing and the most helpful. They also have a very short window for a positive test.

I am 100% sure Hopkins is using these drugs to stay around in boxing at his age.

 

I actually like the level of discussion here. It shows that more and more people finally see obvious thing - most (if not all) high-level athletes use something that makes them faster, stronger, better athletes.

Yes, there are ways to pass drug tests, to be so-called 'clean' athlete in eyes of public.

I wonder what happened to the guys that were caught (Briggs, Toney, Jones etc.) It's not so hard to pass the test nowdays even if you're on a peak of cycle.

 

Most of the garbage you get today from underground labs is horribly underdosed if not faked entirely. The raw materials the cooks get from China are routinely underdosed whether emusified into solution or pressed into a pill.

Like you said the pharma grade stuff is the way to go even at comparitively small TRT and HRT dosages. I have done grappling with guys who started TRT and HRT protocols and it makes a huge differences in their training quality and performance.

 

No doubt in my mind either that BHOP is on these two!

 

Obviously TEST as well.

 

Yep exactly how I feel.

 

Bioassays on powder sources typically will test out anywhere from 94-99% purity. Yes, slightly inferior to pharm grade purity wise. Preparation wise, pharm grade will obviously carry a higher degree of certainty when it comes to sterilization, filtration, higher quality carrier substances, and proper solvent and preservative ratios. Overall, pharm grade is better, but the mass availability of underground lab sources and the cheaper price tag those products carry has a vast majority using those products.

It makes no sense for an underground lab to underdose (or even overdose for that matter, no benefit profit wise), as their reputation will suffer, and as such, their clients will go elsewhere. However, it does indeed happen.

Faking products makes zero sense with standard compounds like testosterone or deca, which are dirt cheap on the raw materials side of things, and faked products also result in lost business. Fakes are usually seen in harder to procure, and equally more expensive compounds like primobolan, sometimes trenbolone, and in the past anavar. A cheaper compound with similar yet less pronounced effect is usually substituted to scam clients (masteron faked as primo etc).

So yes, pharm grade is superior. Underground is reliable most times, as scam artists are quickly weeded out through word of mouth. But underdosing and faking has definitely occurred.