Is this era really that weak?

The heavyweights of the era are poor very poor

What makes the rest of the divisions appear weak is the fact that there are too many champions/belts and the majority of these champions won't fight each other and unify

 

Good post.....I'd add Froch, GGG, Cotto, Martinez, to the already greats list, and would add Canelo, Sanchez, and several others to the potential list as well.:think:good

 

I like to rate eras by decades (I know I'm probably missing a bunch) I'dont think this era is weak this current era I think Ward Micky Garcia Ridodeaux and Froch have a great shot at the HOF or even being a ATG once the career is done

2000-2009
Mayweather (current era as well)
Pacquiao (current era as well)
Calzaghe
De La Hoya
Barrera
Hopkins (1990-1999 as well)
Marquez (current era as well)
Morales
W.Klistschko (current era as well)
V.Klistschko
Jones Jr. (1990-1999 as well)
Cotto (current era as well)
Mosley
Vargas
Wright
etc

2010-2019
Ward
A. Garcia
Rigodeaux
Alvarez
Froch (You can make a case for him being in last era)
D. Garcia
Donaire
Santa Cruz
Figueroa
Crawford
Golovkin
Kovalev
Khan
etc

 

:deal

 

Froch

 

Or it is that one boxer is just so good.

 

Answer me this what title was the most prestigious ?

It didn't have to be the greatest HW but when the division had something to talk about people took more interest in the sport .


And as far as the Schmeling era I can't comment on that since I wasn't even born then but the other 2 era's were pretty decent ..

 

No it's poor

 

Hopefully Wladimir leaves it alone soon so it can get better.

 

It won't - At least, not on account of Wlad's retirement.

 

I know, I was being ironic because some people hate him too much to acknowledge what he has done.

It wouldn't surprise me if the division suddenly got way better right after his retirement.

 

Well, there's a big difference between 'hating' and putting matters into perspective.

The ranked heavyweights over the last 10 years or so have formed a very poor division - possibly one of the worst ever. Most observers acknowledge the former opinion and don't entirely discount the potential of the latter.

Whilst Wladimir has dominated in this climate, his extensive period as the champion serves as much to highlight the state of the division, as it does to demonstrate his own prowess. It would be difficult to assess any Boxer, who has had no one of any real worth to compete against, during the most significant 8 years of their career.

So, in Wlad's case, while he can be congratulated on the longevity of his championship reign, that same longevity of reign works against him. When he does retire, it will not be as though the cap has been taken off the division, allowing the new talent to come shining through. It just isn't there, at the moment.

What Wlad leaves behind will be more akin to a vacuum, which will soon be filled with the same B and C level fighters, who just happen to be ranked right now.

 

Putting matters into the persprctive is one thing, but saying that Wladimir is dominant because the division is "weak" is something else. He has been dominating both world class guys and lesser guys for a decade. One of the weakest eras ever? Please spare me from that. It's unlikely that anyone could go through Wladimir's reign and have that kind of success.

 

I have absolutely no doubt that Wlad's dominance has been due, in large part, to the extremely weak division over which he has presided. Most people would agree with this and history will very probably reflect the same. If you need to be 'spared' from anything, it's your dreamy idea (often referred to as a delusion) that Wlad's tenure as champion has been something extraordinary.

If you could point out the "world class guys" you are referring to, I'd be more than happy to re-review these performances of Wlad's, while listing the significant number of Heavyweights, who would have strolled through this era with just as much success, if not more so.

 

I think we should be clear first on what this 'era' is.
Some fighters probably belong to the 'previous' era of guys like Mosley, Morales, Calzaghe.
Mayweather, Hopkins, Marquez, Cotto, and Pacquiao are a part of the previous era who are dominating in this new era.

The current era is basically those who were not stars of the previous era.

Rigondeaux who is virtually 34 years old, is a star of the current era although old.
It's also important to analyse it by division and be fair because we can easily say 'look at how great the welterweight era was in 1940's', but the welterweight era back then consisted of 2 current weight classes where everyone fought eachother to develop 'proven' fighters.

..The current welterweight era has resulted in a 'proven' fighter in Timothy Bradley who is just 2 fights away from HOF and lost a close but clear fight to an ATG in Manny Pacquiao. His fighting abilities show that he is not by any means an 'outstanding' fighter compared to others in HOF, but the fact that he's 'proven' has made him worthy of HOF.

People also tend to say an era is weak by just looking at the number of ELITE guys for any given era rather than focus on the overall quality of fighters within the era's divisions. i.e I have Keith Thurman or Timothy Bradley walking through all of the welterweights from the Sugar Ray Leonard era, when not including the elite Fab 4. The welterweight era other than the elites of the 80's is WEAKER than the current era of welterweights.

It IS true that there are a smaller number of GREAT fighters today from a fighting ability perspective.

With Roman Gonzalez, Juan Francisco Estrada, Naoya Inoue, Amnat Roenrueng, Kazuto Ioka, Tosei Tanaka, Takuma Inoue, Brian Viloria and probably another I haven't mentioned, it's quite clear the Flyweight division is going to be a simply amazing era. Brian Viloria was P4P before he lost to Estrada, and is probably the weakest in the bunch I listed.