Tyson vs Ali

I did read what you said.

The question im asking above is to people who make that excuse that he backed down when people stood up to him.

yes Tyson has admitted after the Holyfield fights, he went home, got high and gave up trying to be champ again.

 

Of course that's bull****, the real truth is Mike couldn't handle being pushed back and getting peppered with shots, he had no plan B.

That's all to do with his style not his courage or mentality.

 

When someone was vocal to Ali, he didnt like it.

Terrell, Patterson and Bonavena come to mind. They called him Clay and he went nuts.

Foreman and Frazier werent really vocal kind of guys, nor was Liston.

Tyson was.

 

With his size and reach, he doesnt really have a plan B.

he cant just fight off the back foot and start dancing and throwing jabs can he?

Manny Paqciauo, Shane Mosely and Antonio Margarito all have reach similar to or greater than Mike Tyson.

 

Fair enough but he was a bit easy to read and predictable when things weren't going his way, in the Holyfield fight he was always falling short with his right hand and Evander was timing his right hand to perfection everytime Tyson missed.

 

Holyfield, especially in the second fight did some amazing things.

He would stand in front of Tyson, wait for Tyson to make a move, then Holyfield would hit and step just out of range.

Another thing which is forgotten is....whenever Tyson started bobbing and weaving, Holyfield jabbed to Tysons body, NOBODY had ever tried that before.

This is where the 'had Cus lived' comes into play. Remember Tysons whole style was based on waiting for his opponent to punch, using his size (or lack of) sliding under their jab, and pounding away. Problem is this style dont work against Holyfield because Holy was a small mobile heavyweight just like Tyson (just a bit taller).

Tyson would need to be at his absolute best to beat Holyfield and he would definitely need Cus Damato in his corner.

It was brilliant, Holy really did his homework on Tyson.

 

Ali's too adaptable and tough for Tyson,ultimately. I'd take the 'prime' Ali of 1966-67 to stop Tyson, at Mike's best, in the latter phases. Even the best version of the seventies Muhammad (circa 1972-74) would engineer a similar outcome.

 

Always puzzles me why Ruddock didn't use his Smash on Tyson's body instead of just going head hunting, that punch was perfect for it and would have taken its toll down the stretch

 

Dont you feel the ****y prime Ali was more vulernable to being Ko'd?

Cooper nearly did it, Tyson could possibly pull it off?

Cooper wasnt an isolated incident either, Ali was always open to left hooks.

Im not saying it would happen but it could do.

 

Tyson only lost a fight when he no longer had the desire outside of the ring to put the effort required in training, when he did this he gave up in the fight because he knew he didn't have it in him to do anything other than take a beating. But this never happened when he was focused and dedicated - he was untouchable.

I see somebody saying Frazier's defence was better than Tyson's - this is not the case with a young Tyson - I can only recall him being hit maybe 4or 5 times prior to the Douglas fight.

Also, and I know its off the point but I feel it needs to be raised, there is very strong evidence that Holyfield was on steroids and PEDs for his Tyson fights which may go someway to helping out muscle and out fight him in the later rounds.

 

Well,yes,anything COULD happen. Tyson also ate crisp right hands