Why was the technique so ugly in the past compared to today?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Sugah Jay, Oct 11, 2014.


  1. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An important factor that i didn't specify in my earlier post is the difference in grip offered by modern boots and ring surfaces
     
  2. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its the same poster Tommo/Glover

    I can recognise this **** a mile away.

    All his threads start off 'innocently' and once he establishes himself he starts mocking the great fighters of the past.

    His usual tactics
     
  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
  4. Sugah Jay

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    i see a very big difference, that's why i started this thread.
     
  5. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Since you didn't just title the thread 'why do all old guys look like ****' I ignored those calling you a troll and offered you reasonable reasons why, since you haven't said 'okay, those are reasonable reasons for the ugliness I see', or offered any actual explanation for your opinion, I guess you are just a troll.

    For what it's worth i agree boxing became more astetically pleasing in the 30/40 years following corbett/fitz.
     
  6. Mango

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    Yes, its a mystery! Its almost as if the "historians" here resent the idea that we have boxers today, who could probably hold their own in any era. Its really strange!
     
  7. thistle1

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    too many people judge on Old Film footage, which shouldn't even require an explanation... is everybody so stuck these days that lateral thinking (which used to be a natural process) has all but disappeared.

    the Film is _HIT... it doesn't even represent real life when people are walking or doing other things on Old film.
    it isn't accurate, People were perfectly normal in everyway since the beginning of time, but early Film Usage WASN'T and doesn't clearly show this.

    Now it is true Boxing EVOLVED and by the late 20s we had more Athletic Fighters, with more of the boxing style we have today, Skill, Subtle Movement, Footwork and Agility, so yes the Sport & Fighters improved, but the early fighters were still Tough n Hardmen at their game, don't let crude filming confuse you.

    People DON'T resent that there ARE Great Fighters Today, there ARE... just NOT in NUMBERS at TOP Level across the Board and across the Globe, in the sheer amount of participants that were vying for Top Honours and they had to fight many of them to continue through.

    that's your answer to all parts of your question(s).
     
  8. Azzer85

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    makes an alt account to agree with himself:patsch
     
  9. rossco666

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    Before the 20's we had Joe Gans. There's not been many as good since. He was athletic, skilled, fast and had a great solid but also great probing/range finding jab. Nice faints. Outstanding counter puncher and great ring general with great spacial awareness, balance and footwork. I'm not sure if he was as great inside as he was the mid to outside range's because he was knocked out late by fighting machine Battling Nelson twice, Gans won their first fight a couple of years earlier by DQ. Gans fought most of his best op at the end of his career, holding his own with even the beastly Sam Langford after fighting some other dude just the day before. There's a great clip of Gans left shoulder rolling a big right hand and countering with a short right uppercut for a KO win on one highlight reel. It was like something you would see from James Toney. Boxing has never evolved to be much better than Gans. Even the old shitty footage show his flashes of brilliance. What a clever left hand. Pity there wasn't more footage.

    As for the difference between the old timer like Fitz to modern greats. The gloves were smaller so parrying and probing was done far more often. They had to be far more clever and cautious about every move they made. A high compact guard is not very effective with much smaller gloves. Energy was also reserved for the longer rounds and grappling was much more common and masterful in those days because boxers had to play it much safer because of the thinner more dangerous gloves. The brawlers/swarmers back then who threw a lot of leather were very adept at getting inside and generally had to have Iron beards as the risk of getting ko'd was greater because they didn't have the face protection of pillow gloves. They had to adapt to different techniques, some very unique as well. The shoulder roll was more than likely invented during the times when fighters fought with smaller gloves and couldn't protect their face very well with them. Parrying was done at range and jabs were often landed then pushed on the opponents face to blind them to get the range for a big punch that the opponent wont see coming. Even a few decades later boxers still fought more parrying styles. The aggressive fighters were often put on their arse more than a few times in their careers because blocking punches with gloves was a harder skill because gloves were much smaller. The best combo puncher/finisher in boxing history -Joe Louis- was put on his arse quite a bit in his career because he was aggressive, he was calculated but he still got sloppy too. If he had been around During Tyson's era he would probably have adopted a higher guard and spent less time on his arse but he would not be the same fighter. He wouldn't be able to probe like he did so masterfully with a higher tighter guard.

    Once the gloves got bigger and changes were made boxers adapted new styles to make use of those changes but the art of the older era boxers was not totally lost. Once the gloves got bigger that's when you seen more fighters with real high guards like ODLH and we started seeing the more robotic and technical styles and more confident combination punchers. The bigger gloves make it safer to throw leather as you have less chance of getting ko'd with counters and have better face protection. The best fighters since say the days of Jose Napoles are actually hybrids and have incorporated/ adapted styles from older era's with the new. Even now you see it with Hopkins, He does some pre 1920's **** in that ring at times.
    Floyd nowaday's at times fights like an old timer, like a powder puff punching version of Fitzsimmons- with his low work rate, grappling, probing and pot shooting. Voids good at defending on the inside and is a thinker like Fitz and some other pre 20's old guy's. The young Floyd is a poor mans Gans without the balls and power making him a **** poor mans Gans. Floyd fights like a pre 20's old timer :cool: :lol:
     
  10. Ali Frazier

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    Boxing is an art and like all forms of art it's always evolving.
     
  11. Wass1985

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    I wouldn't necessarily say it's evolving more like changing.
     
  12. Seamus

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    I wouldn't say it is changing so much as changing to accommodate better athletes.
     
  13. Wass1985

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    I'd say the sport has deteriorated over the last 15 years especially the heavyweight scene, take away Wlad and the division is terrible.
     
  14. red cobra

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    Boxing has deteriorated badly in the past 35-40 years...the heavyweight division today is especially dreadful, minus Wlad.
     
  15. Azzer85

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    Come on man, its not all doom and gloom

    We've had some amazing fighters in the past 40 years.