Is Floyd Patterson a top 20 HW

Don't see a one of all these guys you're troweling out that could match Sonny's 'sunday punches' or Ingo 'sunday punch'!
What a list of 'wannabees' that you say would knock Floyd 'senseless'
Not to mention (as I always do) ERAS!!! ERAS! ERAS!
I'll translate since you seem to be dissing an ATG fighter. :twisted:
A 2000 Floyd (born later) would have been 205-210. Won't even mention some of the clowns you listed but,had the decent fighters you mentioned been born in the 30's, they wouldn't have had their size and musculature in the late 50's-early 60's.
atsch

 

Right, so Liston and Johansson were far superior to the fighters in the list you quoted.
Only they could stop Patterson, because former middleweight Jimmy Ellis (a middleweight in a same day weigh-in nonetheless, not like Jones, Toney and Hopkins) and the smallish hypejob Quarry could not (Quarry was good, but not enough for his era, which was not even the 3rd hardest era to compete at HW)

Patterson TODAY, would have campaigned at 168,175 (which he did in his era, so he would have probably been a small 175 today if he even tried to compete there). I do not claim that he was not good, just compare him to men his own size which is 175 or below.

Now how would Patterson do if he swapped opponents with Leon Spinks and with Jeremy Williams? Both of them were in fact bigger than he was, eras or not.

 

To address some of the above???
Are you saying Ellis weighed in as a MW when he fought Patterson?
Floyd was 188 3/4 and Ellis was 198 1/2 for their Stockholm scrap. By 1954-55 Floyd making 175 was long gone! Oh, I guess he could have but would have been drained. He was growing and was about 190 give or take the rest of his career. And TODAY, he wouldn't (couldn't) have campaigned at 175 (168 is ludicrous!)
He would have been bigger, not smaller, probably in the 205-210 range. (And the modern guys would have been smaller had they been in previous eras)
I'm sorry, but your post makes absolutely no sense IMO.

 

And how much do today's 168lbers weigh while months remote from a fight in your opinion? same question regarding the 175lbers?

Only difference is that Floyd, Charles, Ellis and Markegiano did not have to make weight, when they fought at heavyweight.

And who was a clown out of the names which I mentioned? which one of those clowns would have done worse than Patterson against Liston? And for the third time, swap Patterson with Jeremy Williams, how does each do against the other's opponents? same question only swap him with Leon Spinks instead.

 

What the **** are you talking about?

Floyd was a better heavy than Spinks in anyone's mind, better pound per pound, and would have beaten him any day.
Jeremy Williams? I looked him up, looks pretty good...Modern guy.
Let me get this right...the fact that Floyd waded in twice against Sonny (he had his demons and the country wanting him to destroy Sonny) and got tagged says that all your HUGE list of guys were better than Floyd?
Your choices weren't around in the 50's-60's nor did they have the weight of the country's controversy on their back like Floyd did.
Eras again. Your boys had 5 champions and about 50 "top 10 contenders" to get their ranking. p**s off frank, you belong in general. I'm done with responding to your posts on this thread.

 

You claim that Floyd was better than Spinks, you might be right in p4p terms, but I doubt it. Still, in h2h terms, since a HW list is not a p4p list of HWs, you keep ignoring my swapping test regarding him, Spinks and Williams. This will give you a realistic measurement of Floyd Patterson, or conversely your HW list should be like:

Gregorio Peralta
Evander Holyfield
Michael Spinks
Ezzard Charles
Muhammad Qawi
Orlin Norris
Nate Miller
Johnny Nelson
Bert Cooper
James Toney


Jeremy Williams
Jimmy Ellis
Doug Jones
Oscar Bonavena
Floyd Patterson
Al Cole
Juan Carlos Gomez
Tony Tubbs
Marion Wilson

..
..

etc. In this case, Floyd Patterson might really be a top 20 HW.
Keep ignoring my swapping questions, you did it anyway.

 

Idk about top 20, but out of the thousands of heavyweights there have been in boxing history, Floyd Patterson is one of the best.