James Toney "I would make GGG take a NAP!"

Toney is broke and punch drunk. He will say anything for attention. He probably dances for change.

 

Toney at 160lbs wasn't the finished article. He was prone to running out of gas, lacked a bit of nous and experience, struggled with the weight and generally wasn't quite as slick or excellent as we have him in his mind's eye. Toney's peak was likely his time at 168 and 175lbs... although even then his weight issues and lackadaisical attitude to conditioning hindered him.

160lbs Toney is the Toney that was held to a draw by Mike McCallum (although I had Toney narrowly winning), only just got past Reggie Johnson, was a long way down on the cards against Nunn before catching him late and most shockingly of all should have lost (and Toney admits he should have lost) to Dave Tiberi... and Tiberi is a far lesser boxer than Golovkin.

Is Golovkin a stylistic match to any of those guys? Not really. But he has shown accuracy, power, a consistant workrate, the willingness to attack the head and body, a reasonable chin and effective punch selection. Even in the bouts Toney won at 160lbs he was getting caught with shots you wouldn't expect him to and slowing down in the latter stages. I could easily see Toney going ahead early but then fading late, allowing Golovkin to take over.

That said, Toney at 160lbs was still a versatile fighter. We tend to think of him these days as pretty much exclusively a counter-puncher bit back then when he was more mobile he was perfectly happy (and able) to walk opponents down and force them backwards. We're yet to really see how effective Golovkin is when he can't come forwards and what few signs we have haven't been that positive... his offence tends to disappear. If Toney can catch Golvokin with a good counter (and Golovkin's defence doesn't match his offence right now) and immediately step on the pressure I can see life being very hard for Golovkin.

 

In his prime he might've.

 

You talk as if McAllum and Nunn were not excellent fighters? At the one Nunn was really unbeatable at middleweight in most peoples opinion.

 

A motivated Toney vs an aggressive fighter is very very hard to beat. Golovkin looks amazing but still not beating amazing fighters just solid world class guys.

 

The middleweight version on toney was not on the level of the more experienced toney and would not beat Golovkin

 

He also said he beat Sam Peter after Peter beat the **** out of him. Toney is a fat, brain damaged delusional burger boy.

 

Stylistically, Toney might present the toughest challenge for GGG out of any recent fighter. He has a great chin, good power, and can stand right in front of you and make you miss.

I don't know if Toney would knock GGG out, but I would favor him to win. I wouldn't put a TKO or KO out of the question due to styles.

I will say, it might be too early in GGG's career to determine how good he really is.

 

Tony by a clinic people who doubt should watch the McCallum fights or his fight wifh Nunn and Jirov


Toney losing at Hw should have very little to diminish his skills as he was never suited for that division.

 

James was AWESOME in his prime, a true technician.

GGG kills him nowadays.

 

In his prime he murders GGG

UD by 12-0

 

Toney at MW would school GGG. GGG might be the best asian boxer right now but he would have a hard time against old school MW.

 

I like how you make sure to call GGG asian just **** certain people off

 

markq is Asian.