10 fighters to beat Ali?

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  1. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Seeing the ongoing negative threads on Marciano has made me think of doing something similar to Ali. Let's blast away at him for a change. Here's my 10.

    1. Jack Johnson
    2. Jack Dempsey
    3. Gene Tunney
    4. Joe Louis
    5. Ezzard Charles.
    6. Jersey Joe Walcott
    7. Sonny Liston(prime)
    8. Henry Cooper
    9. Larry Holmes
    10. Vlad

    There are more but I can't be arsed to list them. I will explain why these fighters could beat Ali if asked. I await the damnation of all the Ali adorers.
     
  2. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stupid list....:lol:
     
  3. Meazy-E

    Meazy-E Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lennox, Wlad, Vitali, Frazier, Louis, Prime Liston, Evander, maybe tyson. These are the only people I'd potentially give the nod to, and IMO the only ones that can be reasonably justified, and even still many is a stretch.
     
  4. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I applaud the poster and agree with him, though my list would be a bit different.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Joe Louis
    Rocky Marciano
    Vlad
    Evander
    Lennox
    Vitali-?
    Norton-?
    Frazier-?
    Tyson-?
     
  6. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Jack Johnson is the only one on that list that could worry a prime Ali & give him problems
     
  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Lennox Lewis
    2. Wolodomyr Klitschko
    3. Tony Tucker
    4. James Douglas
    5. Vitali Klitschko
    6. Larry Holmes
    7. Carl Williams
    8. Nicolay Valuev
    9. George Foreman
    10. Joe Frazier


    11. Abdul Aziz
    12. George Chuvalo
    13. Doug Jones
    14. Henry Cooper
    15. Ken Norton
     
  8. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Oh! You mean all the same time!
     
  9. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They were 10 that came to mind that I think COULD have beaten Ali on a given night. I try not to say WOULD in mythical match ups.

    I was just getting a bitted pissed off with the anti-Marciano threads, really. I'm not even a massive fan of Rocky, but the flak he gets is ridiculous! There are holes in his record but you can rip into any heavyweight if you try hard enough.

    I watched Ali-Norton 2 a few days ago and I thought at times Ali was getting hammered. I think there is a myth around Ali that he was untouchable. There is also a double standard regarding size that Ali benefits from, as follows.

    Marciano's and Louis's opponents are routinely slated for not being modern size heavyweights(or in Louis's case he beat big oafs!), but Ali didn't fight anyone as big and good as Lennox Lewis or Vlad but only a few on here would favour them over Ali.

    If Norton can physically dominate Ali why can't Lewis? If Bugner can trouble Ali why can't Vlad? Ali seems to get a bye again.

    Another poster whose name escapes me said that no fight between greats would be a mismatch and I agree. They all have something special that seperates them from the rest.

    Ali was great, but so were Louis, Holmes, Frazier etc in their day. Like jowcol, I find it practically impossible to compare eras due to the difference in training from one to another.

    I just picked a few guys who had a style to trouble Ali(Cooper cannot be argued!) for a bit of fun. You could do the same to Louis or anyone else.
     
  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On that list only Larry Holmes has a chance.the only that I think beats ali is lennox lewis.
    Some of the names on that list have zero chance.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: when did bugner trouble Ali ??
     
  12. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

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    There aren't 10 who at their best , beat Ali at his.
    This is re writing history...at it's worst.
     
  13. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

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    Not the ones I believe can beat Prime Ali, but the ones i think might have troubled him the most.

    1- Prime Sonny Liston
    2- 1993 Tommy Morrison
    3- Vitali Klitschko
    4- Wladimir Klitschko
    5- Prime Joe Louis
    6- George Foreman
    7- Larry Holmes
    8- Deontay Wilder
    9- 1992/93 Riddick Bowe
    10- Jack Johnson
     
  14. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nah, not rewriting history, just opinion.

    Anyway if not 10,how many do you think?
     
  15. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never realised that there was a third Klitschko brother ;)

    You missed Jean-Pierre Coopman off your list