THE TRUTH: Wladimir Klitschko beats ALL Heavyweights PAST OR PRESENT!

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  1. Radtastic

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    It's time to face the truth guys. Enough is enough. TODAY's Wladimir, the post-Stewart Wladimir, would annihilate any of these HW legends in history that you guys keep talking about such as Marciano (lol :nut), Dempsey :verysad, Frazier :yep, Foreman, Norton :rofl, Holmes :nono, Louis :lol:, or Jack Johnson :hi:. Wlad would also outpoint Ali, Holyfield, or Lewis. I will break down exactly why using logic without emotion/nostalgia, and I will be using the PRIME versions of each fighter.

    Dempsey and Marciano? Get real guys, Wlad is a 250 pound modern day Terminator Machine, and according to Stewart (who trained Lewis) has the hardest punch in history. Prime Dempsey and Marciano walked around as 180 pounders, they would lose to a lot of super middleweights today. (Canelo and Ward walks around at 180+ pounds, Chavez Jr. and Beterbiev at 195+, etc just to give you guys an idea). It would be like putting 2 toddlers up against a grown man if Dempsey/Marciano were to fight a Klitschko. They would get knocked out of the ring, and anyone who doesn't see this has clearly never boxed before.

    As for prime Joe Louis, answer this honestly, would ANY athlete or team from the 1930's beat a top athlete or team today in 2014? Athletes get better in time, sports evolve, and it has been 80 years since Louis's time. Science proves it, and even Mike Tyson confirms it. Louis is simply too small and weak to fight a 250 pound Wlad, although he would of course do better than Dempsey or Marciano.

    Jack Johnson? Lol, the guy fought 120 years ago. :patsch Boxing rules, techniques, training, fights etc were simply different back then. You didn't even have a standing 8 count back then for Christ's sake. Johnson's techniques would be laughable if he fought today, and Jack Johnson is irrelevant today in terms of fantasy match-ups.

    Frazier? Prime Frazier was 5'11 and 210 pounds, Wlad is 6 ft 7 and 250 pounds. Prime Frazier couldn't take Foreman's punch, so what makes you think he can take the bigger Wlad's punch (which Stewart describes as heavier than Foreman's or Lewis's)? Frazier would get bullied, kept at bay with a heavy jab, and nailed with right hands that makes Foreman's right hands look soft. If Frazier gets close he would get leaned on. Bad style match up for Frazier, same goes for Norton. The physical difference is too much.

    Prime Foreman was a monster for his time, the 70's. But it has been 40 years, and if he fought today he would be small compared to Wlad. Foreman's biggest weapon was his punch, but Stewart who worked with both fighters said that Wlad hits harder than Foreman or Lewis. Young Foreman was not the smartest fighter, didn't have great defense, and tends to gas out. (check out his fight with Ron Lyle who was much smaller than Wlad) Wlad is too smart, too skilled, too complete, and too conditioned for Foreman. Wlad wins by KO after some possible shaky moments.

    Prime Ali would give Wlad problems with his foot speed, hand speed, and ring IQ. But Wlad is no Foreman, today's Wlad is very smart and experienced himself, and will use his superior reach and power to his advantage. Ali has the speed/skills, but sadly he does not have the power to trouble Wlad. Overall, Wlad is simply too big and too powerful for Ali, but this is a very interesting fight.

    Prime Holmes was a good boxer who relies on his length, but the problem is Wlad is even taller than him, much heavier, and has a jab that is just as good. Unlike Holmes, Wlad has real, debilitating atomic power in both hands, and can knock Larry out. Wlad UD, maybe KO.

    Holyfield, as great of a boxer as he was, was too small compared to Wlad and won't be able to knock out today's Wlad. He would box with Wlad for 12 rounds, get peppered with jabs, and lose a UD or possible SD. Similar to how he lost to Lewis, except with less action and more dominance from Wlad.

    Ah, Lennox Lewis, finally. Both men were trained by the great Emamuel Stewart. Lewis was a huge heavyweight with monster power. But guess what? Wlad is even bigger, and hits even harder, not only with the right hand but the left hand too. Don't ask me, I'm only quoting Stewart who trained both men. Today's Wlad also gets hit less than even a prime Lewis. Lewis CAN fight better on the inside, and has a great uppercut, which would be his only chance in this fight. But if Wlad can neutralize/clinch Lewis on the inside, he will out jab, out move, and out punch Lewis to a UD.

    Once again, I am talking about TODAY's Wlad, not the young immature Wlad who fought like Amir Khan. If you are honest with yourselves, you would also realize like I have that today's Wlad is simply too big, too strong, and too skilled to be beaten by any past heavyweights from the past, especially those from 80-100 years ago. Athletes get better, sports evolve, and each generation produces better fighters than the previous one. You all don't want to admit it, but it's the truth.

    Hence why Wlad>Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield>Ali/Foreman/Frazier>Marciano/Louis>Dempsey>Johnson, etc.

    The exception to all of this, is a young Mike Tyson with Cus or Rooney in his corner. Prime Tyson was extremely fast on his feet and had phenomenal head movement, and he may have been able to catch Wlad in the early rounds. But if they had fought, I would still have to favor Wlad to edge it out.
     
  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    You clearly haven't watched much boxing !
     
  3. Radtastic

    Radtastic Member Full Member

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    Deny the truth all you want :yep

    But the truth is Wlad beats any heavyweight past or present.
     
  4. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah sure ok.

    FYI, Vitali kicks his little bros ass 9/10 times.
     
  5. 'el nino'

    'el nino' Active Member Full Member

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    A first post so bad that it deserves a banning
     
  6. Radtastic

    Radtastic Member Full Member

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    It's a free country, I can say anything I want. I used reason and logic to back up my post, unlike you.
     
  7. Radtastic

    Radtastic Member Full Member

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    A few years ago, sure. But I fear that todays wlad is too complete even for vitali. Would be a great fight for sure though.
     
  8. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    not sure wlad can beat the ones in his family.
     
  9. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Sure he does ..
     
  10. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I rank Wladimir very high, but he would be defeated by: Ali, Lewis, and would probably be beat also by Tyson, Holmes and Foreman (2 out of 3 times).
     
  11. pecho26

    pecho26 ESB Lurker Full Member

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    I have 20 heavies that would maul Wlad into oblivion.
     
  12. Radtastic

    Radtastic Member Full Member

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    Let me guess, you think 180 pound super middleweight Dempsey beats Wlad right? :yep
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I like a troll that puts the effort in.
     
  14. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    threadkiller.
     
  15. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Wlad - Lewis fights ends in 4 ways.

    Early K.O for both.
    Late K.O for Lewis(Who has superior stamina to Wlad)
    UD to Lewis(by winning the 2nd half of the fight and finishing the stronger of the two)

    3 scenarios for Lewis winning in my head.
    Only one for Wlad.