So when I worked out in the same gym Evander Holyfield worked out in, Tim Hallmark had him doing useless exercises? You aren't doing the same thing training with complexes, do you even realize what complexes are? You even contradict yourself a bit in the same post, because many moves in complexes are plyometric. I'm not by myself thinking this. Point of fact, I used to not think too highly of that kind of training until two things happened; 1. I tried them and they felt effective 2. I realized that I was watching how some of the best boxers in the world were training and I concluded that they must be doing something right.
What I am saying is weight training should not be utilized for conditioning, weight training should be utilized for increasing overall power (which will help with conditioning to a point). Weights can be used for conditioning, no argument there, but conditioning should be sport specific (or as close as possible).
...but going for a 1 rep max load is opposite of what's required in boxing IMO. If I was training a boxer I'd rather have one who can throw 75 hard punches per round instead of 5-6 explosive punches then being gassed for the rest of the round.
Explain how building absolute strength would be detrimental to boxing performance, or any athlete for that matter. So because a boxer lifts weights to increase overall power it means they'd only be able to throw 5-6 explosive punches then they'd be gassed? You'll have to explain how this makes any sense.
Is it better to build power for a limited amount of work than to build power for a maximized amount of work? Sustaining power for a greater amount of work is better IMO. Boxing training has always been about conditioning; jumping rope, punching bags, punching pads, line jumping, roadwork same goes for the weight training. Besides, if somebody is going about increasing power by lifting weights they aren't doing themselves any favors IMO. Sure they can increase their power by weight training but did they increase their effectiveness? Over the years I have seen explosive punchers, guys who can shake the rafters when they're punching the heavy bag never make anything whatsoever out of themselves as far as boxing goes. Why? Because power does not automatically make for effectiveness. I would prefer my boxer to be an effective puncher than an explosive puncher. The effectiveness is going to come from him knowing how to turn his heels into a punch, where the range for his maximize leverage is, turning the punch over and being able to time his punches and he's going to be able to do all that over and over and over again. For that he needs to be well conditioned to do a lot of work. I believe if Boxer A conditions himself by regular boxing training, he'll be okay but if Boxer B does the same regular boxing training, plus two days a week Boxer B does some weight training complexes Boxer B is going to have an advantage over Boxer A in competition.
It's idiotic to spend time working on strength endurance in the weight room when your sport is basically strength endurance. You use that time to develop power and strength, the higher your absolute strength the better your strength endurance is anyway, as you are then working at a lower relative intensity for the same load.
How are you sustaining power for a greater amount of work? Strength endurance has little to do with power, if you're lifting weights at a load/rep range to get conditioned then you're just training yourself to be weak for a longer time. What does weight training have to do with the boxing training? You do the weight training to improve your capacity/athleticism and the boxing training is for what you call effectiveness. Being stronger helps you learn better as there is less relative effort being exerted by your CNS, muscles and therefore your endurance/efficiency is improved. Weight training to a 20RM is far more fatiguing physiologically speaking and takes four times longer to recover from than a 5RM. So why would you be killing yourself in the weight room doing idiotic strength endurance work, that's going to leave you weak and fatigued for your boxing sessions? I really hope you don't actually train boxers.
That doesn't make any sense. I know you've said because it's performed on the heel well no ****, once you're on your toes you can't exert much force. That's old school **** looking at the end result instead of what's causing the movement. You need to push into the ground to get the equal and opposite reaction, that's why a decent weightlifting coach is going to get them to stay on their heel as long as possible, even though they come up onto their toes at the end. Weights aren't meant to exactly mimic sporting movements, they're meant to increase the physical capacity, to be transferred over to the sporting movement.
Cool, I understand muscle biomechanics and physiology so no need to talk in riddles, a grown up conversation getting straight to the point would be appreciated. You're talking about proprioception and muscle sequencing. What's the relevance to weightlifting? Balance training is only useful for the injured, and weight training isn't meant to replicate sports movements. Touch and feel is about skill training, almost completely separate from the weight room. Nothing is truly sports specific apart from your actual sport, if everybody only did that then you'd have a whole lot of injured and poorly performing athletes.
