Wladimir Klitschko is the best hw by a mile but seems very beatable

The way you're using the word implies 'in danger of being knocked out' not the actual punch physically hurting, because all punches physically hurt as you know if you've boxed.

 

While i found the fight boring, besides the knockdowns and stoppage, i like the way Wlad came back when hit, especially when he stopped him. Both fighters held to much and Pulev looked like a novice amateur in there. What was that circling motion he kept doing with his left hand? He looked like he was trying to parry imaginary punches and kept leaving himself open. Horrible defense. And with no real power you're just not gonna beat Wlad like that.

 

That's usually what happens when a run-of-the-mill #1 HW contender meets a legitimate top 15 HW ATG.

 

Top 10

 

Personaly i think its indicative of the state of the division outside Wlad. Pulev looked like an uneducated novice, and while there have been other contenders to look bad i can name plenty who looked far more polished in their own title attempts.

 

yeah ko2 that's why wlad ran in fear from the retired neverman.

I think you mean 2013+. wlad can beat that corrie cos ded corrie is only one he has the guts to climb back into the ring with.

 

I disagree. You have a wide disparity in skill anytime you have a top ATG fighter currently at the top of the division. Happens every once in a while. Doesn't mean the contenders of today are worse than contenders 30 years ago. Just means the top dog is a legit ATG. Nothing more.

If I have a room of 10 chess players of equal skill, say 1800 ELO. Then I put the chess world champion in the room with them who has an ELO rating of 2800. He would demolish all those players even if he played blindfolded, in the same afternoon, simultaneously. Has the ELO rating of the 10 plays become any worse just because they're being dominated by an unbeatable champion?

Because that is your argument. And it's very ridiculous.

 

Yeah your right Wlad just don't have the chin or skin to beat great fighters. Wlad can't handle being hit that is why he holds so much. But he fought Pulev with anger. Wlad kinda went back to his old style against Pulev and it was fun to watch. Pulev came there to fight. I knew Pulev was very limited and was easy to cut but at least he tried.

 

Hurt means that you lose control / can't execute your game plan for a certain time period due to the result of a punch. At least that is my definition and with regard to it I would say that Wlad wasn't hurt. It's a strategy of Wlad to hold whenever he gets hit. It's a clever strategy for him but it is boring for the viewers.

Wlad would win prime to prime against all the smaller fighters except of Ali (but it's not clear if Ali would really win - the issue with the boxers from the past is that they are praised for their achievements but they fought at a different time and there were not many fighters as tall and skilled at the same time as it is the case with Wlad). Lewis would cause a problem for him but even then the fight would be totally even up to the point where either Wlad or Lewis gets knocked out. It's more likely that Lewis would win that battle but again, all guys that claim Wlad would have no chance, underestimate his punches. He hits as hard as Lennox, and his punches are fast and accurate with both hands. Todays version of Wlad is hard to beat if you take into account his reach advantage as well...

 

"and still, the heavyweight champion of the world..." Deal with it dumb as s:rofl

 

He lost against Brewster because he was too exausted to continue. Face it, no one can beat Wlad. He just destroyed someone who people thought was the best opponant had in years. Just because a fighter lands a few punches, doesn't mean he was hurt. Was he the one that got dropped 4 times? Wladimir always clinches, it's nothing new with him. Fact remains he has been the best Heavyweight since Lennox Lewis and is going into the Hall Of Fame. Even Lewis said on twitter no one is better than Wlad, he certainly didn't think Pulev did anything that troubled Wlad if you read his Twitter feed. If anyone tries to go in and attack Wlad, they will get KO'd or the fight will have to be stopped when they get tired and can no longer maintain their stamina when Wlad leans on them.

 

I dont know how you could think this is my argument, we're talking boxing not chess. Since you brought up a 30 year old era i'll use Holmes and Witherspoon to make my point. Larry is universally recognized as a top 5 ATG heavyweight. Witherspoon was a contender, not even the top contender, yet he looked so much better than Pulev in every department. Im sorry but Pulev just isnt a very good fighter. Little head movement and body work, no defense and he swings wild leaving himself open. Yes this can be said of other contenders, but how many were seen as the number one contender to the heavyweight champion and not just by some ABC org?

 

We're talking about relative disparity in skill. Which exists in boxing, tennis or chess. What makes chess interesting to look is an objective rating system called ELO which allows you to calculate the mathematical probability of player A beating player B if they played 100 matches. That is something we don't have in boxing and that's why we have endless threads like these.

Your argument is because you have one guy at the top it directly decreases the skill level of the other athletes below him. It doesn't. In a world with or without Wlad, Haye still beats the living **** out of Michael Spinks.

I disagree. I'd even go farther: throw in Witherspoon, Bruno and Tubbs in a tournament with Haye, Povetkin and Byrd and the 80s fighters would lose by a landslide.

Pulev as average as he is would demolish half of the horrible 80s challengers like Thomas, Tillis etc. etc. If these bums were good enough to challenge ATGs Holmes or Tyson, why do keep ****ing on Wlad for his supposedly poor opposition? Why do I never see you make comments about Holmes, Tysons, Marcianos or Louis poor opposition?

 

Hurt? where did you see him hurt, outside of your fantasy, of course?
C'mon, show your proof of "hurt".
Was he ever wobblying? Was he ever drunk, uncoordinated? **** no. He was always reactive, coordinated, balanced and perfectly conscious, in spite of Pulev snapping his head around several times.