Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

I don't know about that. I would say that physically, they are about the same size. They are close enough where size won't play a role if they fought. That's all i'm saying.

 

You got this round

 

If Adamek who's a huge LWH and hits harder than Kelly and couldn't stop him then Kelly couldn't either. Kelly is too one-dimensional to beat Dawson who has a much more varied game. He can throw every punch in the book unlike Kelly who mostly has a 1-2. Not to mention kelly's inside boxing game is not great he doesn't go to the body well and he's wide open most of the time. Dawson's accurate punches coming from the southpaw stance will fustrate Kelly. He will control the distance of this fight and the tempo. You're sadly mistaken if you think Kelly will walk through Chad's punches. Hell he didn't even walk through Taylor's. Dawson will land the cleaner more crowd pleasing shots on Kelly and outwork him as well. He wins this fight by wide UD losing no more than 4 rounds in this fight.

 

Pimp C,

How did you score the Dawson/Johnson fight?

 

I think Pimp C made a few false assumptions in his analysis.

1) The claim that Dawson would back Pavlik up is probably innaccurate. Pavlik has fought as high as 170 and did not back up. I'll concede that was a long time ago against a no-hoper, but Pavlik is naturally bigger and stronger than he was then. Big middleweights like Taylor and Miranda did not back him up, and at 168 Pavlik will be stronger than he is now. And Kelly is most certainly mentally strong enough to stay in the pocket and fight rather than back up.

2) The claim that Pavlik can't fight backing up is rather silly. There is absolutely no evidence to base that claim on. Nobody has ever backed him up. Damn hard to base an argument on no evidence.

3) The idea that a southpaw stance is an advantage against an enormous right hand is ludicrous. It's a disadvantage both psychologically and physically.

Boo

 

7-5 Dawson the first time 8-4 the second time

 

Get the fu*k out of here you Dawson nuthugger.

You will probably score it 9-3 the third time for Dawson.

I had it 7-5 for Johnson and i was being generous.

American judges put way too much empahsis on activity. This fight and Calzaghe are recent examples.

 

Kessler beats both on the same night

 

Same here

 

Not really Dawson controlled the fight with his jab and combo punching. Not to mention when he decided to box he made Johnson look amatuerish. Dawson won that fight clean. People make too much of hurting someone in a fight and thinking that alone should win them the fight but neglect all the work the other guy did. Judges saw right through it and scored the fight accordingly.

 

Dawson would beat Pavlik easily. People picking Pavlik are probably comparing this matchup to Dawson-Johnson, which is wrong. Even at an old age, Johnson has a granite chin and anticipates punches better than Pavlik. Dawson hits much, much harder than Taylor, who nearly stopped Kelly, stunned him many times, and had no trouble finding him every time he decided to throw punches. If Taylor had better stamina he would have beaten Pavlik in the rematch. There is no way Pavlik would be walking through Dawson's punches and at 175 his power, physical strength, and speed would decrease, making him even more predictable and average than he already is.

As unimpressive as Dawson was against Johnson, Pavlik was as unimpressive against Taylor. Imagine Dawson in the ring against Pavlik last February.. he would destroy the guy. Come on.. the main reason Pavlik is rated so highly is because of the division he's in and the physical advantages he has over opponents there. If he was a SMW or a LHW, he would be owned by the B+ or higher level fighters there.

 

Come on...be real. Over twice as many voters for KP. Warms my heart.:smoke

 

Is this a joke?

 

You keep that up & your gonna have to give back my avatar!:yep

 

Dawson would go nighty night!:rofl