Wlad Will Be The Greatest Heavyweight of All Time....He Might Already Be.

If Tysons opposition can be held against him then why is the same not being done for wlad and Vitali? Talk about double standards

 

Schmeling Knocks out "Young Stribling" who never was
knocked out in 289 Fights. His only Knockout los was against Schmeling and Arreola with his bad skills would beat Schmeling? very funny

Arreola would not land a single Punch on Walcott

Arreola would not land a single Punch on Conn

Bear would Punch Arreola to death , Arreola wide open ,
Bear push him to the ropes referee dont stops the fight
like today standards and he dies in the ring


By the way you show no respekt for Boxing or fighting in general.
Talking **** about legends who all live
in extremely hard times , "World War 2" or "Great Depression"
not like you of today where everything is easy

So iam very lough about that

Boxing is no mathematics.
Marciano goes with 49/43/0 unbeaten ,
highest KO rate of all Champs but he is criticized

So your "mathematics" say´s nothing about a fighter.

 

Reality?


These are Wladimir's Three biggest wins.

Samuel Peter
Chris Byrd
David Haye




If you think beating these men makes one the greatest heavyweight in history then there is no point arguing with you.

 

Instead of debating with facts you get emotional and start playing the nationality card. Larry holmes an accomplished, dominant and great American fighter found it difficult to win public approval in his own country during his reign and I've never heard his fans blame his unpopularity to nationality or race as you Klitschko fans a fond off.

You said Wladimir is the greatest heavyweight of all-time. I gave you a reason why I disagree with that notion by presenting facts (his three biggest wins) about why he possibly can't be the greatest heavyweight of all time. Instead of rebutting with facts you proceed to play the nationality card.:huh:|

 

Holmes was not "dominant." That is part of the mythical resuscitation of the man.

-He failed to unify when there were only two belts,
-he abandoned titles rather than fight top contenders, openly ducking Greg Page and Pinklon Thomas to fight the Marvis Fraziers of the world
-won controversial decisions against Norton, Witherspoon and Williams
-it may not have ben his fault, but beating Ali's walking dead corpse endeared him to no one
-openly told the press that "they (the sanctioning bodies)" had to give him guys he could beat
-got his bell badly rung against nothing fighters like Snipes and Shaver
-was ultimately rolled by a LHW twice
-made a damned jack-ass out of himself all they way with a mouth that was a hell of a lot bigger than the legacy he built.

This is a fact, and this is how the press and the public saw it at the time. A lot of you on these boards don't remember because you were too young to see it first hand. You remember the nostalgic comeback with the Mercer win and being a point away from regaining his crown from McCall.

There is nothing wrong with this at all, but we have to be realistic about the fact that there were legit reasons why people were not enamored with him. It is time to be realistic about the fact that Wlad it now surpassing Larry, and will probably leave him in the dust.

 

Look I don't like to disrespect my elders but you need to know what's being discussed in a conversation before you jump in. No where in my post did I say either Larry Holmes or Wladimir Klitschko was better than the other. I argued against CST80's notion that Wladimir Klitschko's unpopularity in the U.S. is product of his nationality, which is untrue. If anything, the American people are indifferent about Wladimir and his brother.

This perception perpetuated by some Klitschko fans that his unpopularity in the U.S. in because his Ukrainian is slap in the face of a nation that has a long history of embracing fighters of many nationalities and giving them the opportunity to achieve fame and furtune. I don't want to start naming foreign fighters but you get the idea.

If the U.S. was so anti-Klitschko then explain why Wladimir spends significant amount of the year here in the U.S.

 

Leave that sherm alone.

 

I understand. But you said that Holmes was a dominant champ. dominant champs do not openly duck several number one contenders and abandon belts to avoid fights.

 

The opponent being undefeated doesn't mean **** if they haven't fought anyone good

 

I really don't understand why most people have Ali higher than Joe Louis as the best heavyweight.

 

No. I already checked and I definitely don't own a pair. I need to know where I can buy them on mail order - stat!.

Maybe I can wear them, whilst watching the Wlad Klitschko back-catalogue, and then his greatness will be magically revealed to me .

 

Wlad is clearly Top10 and will stay there.

He's arguably Top5.

His longevity is the key to his success. Staying undefeated during more than 10 years, while being champ, is extremely impressive. And he has, like Holmes, some wins over competitive fighters. Holmes had ****ey, Mercer, Shavers, Norton, Witherspoon. Wlad has Byrd, Haye, Povetkin, Chagaev, etc