Chris Eubank jr. is a "chip off the old block"........just like camacho jr??

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  1. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now discussing Chris Eubank jr. with "boxing experts", this is the line of argumentation im always running into.

    this is basically the reason why people pick eubank. cause its the only "valid" one. going by everything else, eubank is in over his head.

    but lets pretend he is a "chop off the old block". what does that mean? remember hector camacho jr? he was a "chip off the old block". he had a similar style like his dad. similar stance. similar build. similar punching power.
    but as i said: SIMILAR! he was just a little bit less on every level compared to his old man. and what did it all amount to? a mid level fighter. a trialhorse for real talents.

    his father was great. greater than eubank sr, no doubt. and a "chip off the old block" amounted to nothing more than an solid, unspectecular pro.

    and dont forget, camacho jr failed when push came to shove.........but he had a much better build up than eubank jr. he was brought along softly........but not even close to the tomato cans eubank jr. has faced.

    and he still failed.
     
  2. jakethemus

    jakethemus Active Member Full Member

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    In many ways eubank Jr already looks better than his dad. And imo many people are picking him due to the things people are saying about him. And not its just his dad, its other trainers , other boxers , as well fans like me who've been watching boxing all their lives. There's plenty of educated people picking him over Saunders.
     
  3. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    in what ways has he looked better than his dad??

    as for all the educated people surrounding eubank jr.......how educated are they really?
    i mean how educated are they if they put him with saunders without any real tuneups.

    because the bottom line is: even if eubank wins, even if he blows out saunders looking like a million dollars........he would still be not as good a fighter as he would be had he been brought along properly. if he had fought someone like blackwell, etches, o´sullivan......just to name a few.

    there are not "different ways" to do things. if you want your fighter to be at his best, you dont go from the baby pool to the ocean. sure, he may take to the water like a fish.

    but he´d still be a better swimmer had gone to the deep end before the ocean.
     
  4. jakethemus

    jakethemus Active Member Full Member

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    To me he looks faster than his dad was, and with better combinations. According to the article on this website today , Adam booth has picked eubank Jr to win, among others. I'd say he knows a little bit about boxing.

    I do agree this fight has come a bit early. Since we are talking about ocean's, this a clear case of 'sink or swim.' I think he's going to dig deep and pull through. Even if he loses, it would likely be on points and that wouldn't really harm him at this stage. It would also set up a big rematch in the future. Its win win for eubank IMO.
     
  5. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I think they'd counter that they've prepared him with top level sparring against world class sparring partners that are several levels above the opponents you've suggested whilst coining it in appealing to casuals but taking the whole purse against over matched fighters getting highlight reel KO's.

    They've built a public interest in young Chris without spending much money.

    Of course I'd have rather seen him in with the fighters you mentioned but that wouldn't have got him as much exposure or interest as there is in him now from the public. He's been sold to casuals. Now let's see if he can be sold to hardcore fight fans.
     
  6. duffy_89

    duffy_89 Active Member Full Member

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    Billy joe Saunders deserves the win. He really has worked hard to get to where he is today. Can't say the same for eubank. No one can say he remotely deserves to fight for the 3 belts.
     
  7. Westy78

    Westy78 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Since when has that ever come into boxing. Plenty of people have fought for world titles but didn't really deserve it !
     
  8. Westy78

    Westy78 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good post I'd agree with that. I have people in my office talking about eubank jr and there not really boxing fans so he has appeal to the causals for obvious reasons
     
  9. YearZero

    YearZero Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you are overvaluing the importance of bouts vs Spike o' Sullivans of the world. Eubank most likely would have rolled him over as well, technically & physically better in every apartment, what would that have taught him, really? I think the strategy was to beat up low ranked Europeans exactly because they want him to burst onto the scene as it were in a statement victory, instead of showing his limits early they want to hide it and have it be a surprise to his opponent when the big fight rolls around. Also limiting the damage he takes on his way up. The Eubanks are big on theater. There have also been reports that he has been plagued by opponents pulling out and him struggling to find opponents in general, don't know the veracity of those claims though.

    As for the "there are not different ways to do things" argument.
    Lomachenko, Rigondeaux both stepped up hard and fast after a long amateur career. They made the amateur career their learning place.
    Eubank has by all accounts sparred the best of the best all around the world. He has made the gym his learning place. He has received training brit fighters can only dream about. The result is a unique, explosive, creative fighter that is to the average uk fighter what a ferrari f40 is to a ford transit van, at least thats how it appears.

    Well have to find out how good he is come sat night.

    The 12 round thing is also over emphasized I think, look at Kovalev vs Hopkins the other day. He had never gone more than 8 and yet going 12 wasnt an issue. I know he could control the pace and wasnt pushed hard in the fight but still. If you go 15rounds in the gym at a high pace, you can do it on the night. The more Saunders pressures him the more Eubank will land cleanly on Saunders anyway so I think the pressure game plays into Eubank's hands anyway. Saunders will dance I feel, with Eubank having to chase him down, but who knows.
     
  10. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well i totally disagree that he is faster, nor does he throw better combinations than his dad. i believe he loads up more on his punches than his dad and has not nearly the same jab. on top of that he appears easier to be hit.

    however i do agree that at least bjs is not a massive puncher that is likley to damage him in the long run.

    but on the other hand, while not a massive puncher, i think bjs power is underrated. im not sure that jr is that much more of a puncher than bjs. blackwell sparred both and said that there was not much difference between them. and dont forget that bjs has shown some power against solid opposition. he stopped fletcher in two........and fletcher went on the fight for a title. and he clipped blandamura real nice too.
     
  11. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    well, i have to disagree. there are no two ways to do this. rigondeaux and lomachenko were able to win because they had the amateur experience and they were exceptional talents.

    but especially lomachenko would not have lost had he been brought along properly. and just because you win the fight it still does not mean you were brought along the right way. as i said, there are ways to do things to give you the best chance at victory.

    and one major point i have to disagree with you is the fact that sparring is in no way, shape or form a substitute for a real fight.
    i have been in boxing for over 20 years as both a boxer and a trainer( for amateurs).
    and trust me, the world is overrun with "world champions of sparring" that are nothing more than .500 fighters when they fight for real.

    had he beaten someone like say spike o´sullivan by say UD or late tko......even if the fight would have been boring, his chances of success would be alot higher. not just at the bookies.
     
  12. YearZero

    YearZero Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes yes we know all about the conventional sparring session wisdom. But have you seen Eubank's sparring sessions? To me they look more like fights than anything else. He's proven that he can take the bright lights and is mentally strong enough to perform in front of a crowd, got that covered. So really whats left? I just think that his team thinks he is so fking good, that he really will not learn anything drastic by fighting intermediary level opponents, we'll have to see if they were right.
     
  13. duffy_89

    duffy_89 Active Member Full Member

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    The bookies rarely get it wrong!
     
  14. mcguirpa

    mcguirpa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Senior disagrees on this. His view seems to be that that the only way to progress is with hard sparring.