Mayweather vs Canelo II? at 155

i dont think canelo is ready. im not sure how much he has learned from fighting lara, but im sure he learned something... how much , remains to be seen. i also believe he learned something from watching maidana have so much success vs floyd. but, until i see that he has risen to the next level, i have to go with floyd.
if canelo was trained by roach or garcia, i would favor him.

 

TBE Money Mayweather is to skilful for Canelo Alvarez and there is no need for a rematch. A rematch with Cotto will make sense for the middleweight title.

 

Styles make fights. 100% Canelo still sucks against 50% Floyd, too predictable in his offense, too immobile. He might win 30 more seconds of four or five rounds with more energy, but I am amazed that people think that a few pounds makes such a huge difference. This isn't a decade of growth and development that late starter Sergio Martinez got after getting stopped by Margarito, this is a mature fighter with a terribly orthodox style for dealing with Floyd. If you put Marquez or Canelo in against Floyd, you get pretty much the same outcome, except a UD without CJ Ross.

At the higher weight Canelo's chances of knocking out Floyd might go from one in a billion to one in fifty million, but it still doesn't look good for him. Lara is no where near as good as Floyd in terms of mixing in offense and shutting down an opponents actual punch output, and Canelo always eats up Angulo come forward fighters with even less mobility than him who never even heard of the back foot.

 

I don't think it's just applying pressure. It's the broken rhythm of his shots, the weird angles (Canelo would never throw a right hand OVER the top of his own head at an opponent as he comes forward into a clinch, etc). Floyd didn't look great against Madaina, but Madaina is a fouling, unschooled fighter who doesn't care about responding to feints and will bull at all means to nonsensical combinations no "well schooled" orthodox (Marquez or Canelo) would ever throw. At least some of Madaina's success was because he was even dirtier than Floyd's elbow.

 

...which won't be made at 160
not against cotto, and definitely not against golovkin

why anyone would credit Floyd for "winning the MW title" against a blown up welter (which is all Floyd fights at 154 because he loses too much movement) who won't fight the best fighter in the division, is fraudulent

 

A gigantic 2 pound difference from what he was accustomed to making and a 15-16 pound weight advantage on fight night. I think people give the drained excuse too much credit when dealing with only 2 pound differences. What on earth will a giant 3 pound difference the opposite way make? None. Same result. Floyd woyld never accept 155 anyway.

 

Canelo could weigh in at whatever he wanted and would still lose the fight. His style is just easy for Floyd. Flat footed, patient, counter puncher with no authoritative jab. He's not going to do what Maidana did.

 

so now if Mayweather fight boxers and beats them the idea is that they will beat him at a higher weight. ex. Canelo and Cotto Canelo just doesnt have the style to beat Floyd. Comparing Floyd to Lara is all wrong Floyd stood in front of Canelo and walked him down at times. Lara would jump back across the ring everytime Canelo threw a punch

 

Canelo

 

Or maybe,............just maybe...........it had something to do with the opponent he was standing across from at the time.

I know shocking right?

A man widely considered the best boxer on the planet making another fighter look timid and sluggish. Who on Earth could have imagined that could happen.atsch

 

He definitely was drained and that didn't help him. However, let's just be real here:

Canelo vs brawler-types:

Canelo vs Angulo(TKO 10): 513 punches thrown, connect rate 58%
Canelo vs Mosley(UD 12): 673 punches thrown, connect rate 52%
Canelo vs Rhodes(KO 12): 590 punches thrown, connect rate 37%


Canelo vs boxer-types:

Canelo vs Trout(UD 12): 431 punches thrown, connect rate 29%
Canelo vs Floyd(MD loss 12): 512 punches thrown, connect rate 22%
Canelo vs Lara(SD win 12): 415 punches thrown, connect rate 23%

He throws less and connects less against boxer-types, and that situation has not improved over time. Doesn't know or can't execute proper cutting the ring off technique against boxers so he finds it hard to catch them. Has two could have gone either way wins and a clear loss to boxer types.

I don't regard Floyd as unbeatable but the current Canelo is not the guy that's going to do it at any weight. He has to show serious improvement at handling boxer-types to have more than a puncher's chance.