Your top fifteen American heavies.

Thompson never looks particularly good ... he just exposes prospects and the obese who have been protected.

I think Arreola (who - I admit - would fit into the prospect and obese category ... and is someone who I don't like at all) would win if they signed to fight. Arreola does have very fast hands and hits hard enough to bother the old Thompson.

Tarver also looks like *ss every time I've seen him at heavyweight. And he barely throws punches. Briggs would overwhelm him. I don't think Briggs deserves a shot at Wlad at all, but Tarver would have no chance against Shannon. Too big. Too strong.

Oquendo ... I don't know. He's hard for everyone to beat. Then again, he has a difficult time beating everyone.

If Briggs and Oquendo fought, I'd take Briggs. Fres would find a way to lose. He's good at that.

 

Totally forgot about Santos...!!! When I thought of Martz, I tried remembering his opponents/LOC.

 

He still seems to have good power, even though his terrible endurance would prevent him from beating anyone he couldn't K.O really early.

 

Thompson has proved himself more than Arreola has, speaking of obese.... Arreola has lost every time he's stepped in with a world class opponent, Vitali, Adamek, Stiverne x2. Who are his best wins? Mitchell, Walker, Molina, old McCline? Ok gatekeeper sure, but definitely not cut out for world level. Thompson beats him easily.

Briggs is old and slow, looks impressive knocking out bums, but hasn't really impressed at world level in a long time... if ever. I can't think of time he's outclassed, and beaten a world level opponent. Either gets a gift decision, and a fluke late knock out as was the case with White Wolf, I thought Botha beat him as well. Think he loses to everyone on that list.

Oquendo was never very popular with the judges, you're right about that.

 

I don't agree about Washington or Breazeale - especially Dominic. I was never high on him, but he's improved drastically in his recent outings. I like both of their progress.

I rate them highly because they are improving. I rate others (like Thompson) lower because they are on the slide. I think everyone I listed above Thompson beats him. He's just been facing guys who either have glass chins (Price) or are bloated cows (Solis).

I questioned whether to rate Arreola over Thompson (because Arreola has been a bloated cow and his chin is suspect), but Thompson looks awful these days. The Euro prospects he's beating are just worse than him.

 

Washington arguably lost to Nagy dude.... He's too old, and too limited to go anywhere. Breazeale has some room for improvement, he's got decent fundamentals, definitely better than Washingtons, and time is more on his side.. Still not all that impressed with him.


You think Takam, and Pulev are awful??? :huh

 

Thompson has proved himself more than Arreola, I agree. But, right now, I'd take Arreola over Thompson - and I don't like Arreola at all. But when he starts fast and unloads, he could take out an older guy like Thompson.

It's just a guess. I don't feel strongly either way. Arreola and Thompson are both retreads. The only reason I don't rate Hunter above them is I'm still waiting for him to fight a live body.

Hunter has sparred a lot with Wlad. That helps a lot.

 

He didn't beat Takam and Pulev. atsch

And Washington didn't "arguably" lose to Aguilera. I saw that fight.

 

I didn't say that he did, but you implied the guy's that he lost too weren't that great...

It was pretty close, definitely much closer than the scorecards would suggest.

 

Leave Briggs alone. He has asthma.

 

If you think Breazeale and Washington suck, fine.

I don't. I think they are showing marked progress every time out.

If you think Antonio Tarver beats either, I'd take that bet every time.

Tarver looks awful and is getting worse. Frankly, Thompson looked really bad, too. Solis is just a total disgrace. Hell, so was Banks (against Tarver).

By contrast, Dominic and Gerald have looked very good recently, whether they are blowing out guys or not. They are learning their trade and improving.

Wilder, Jennings, Breazeale, Washington, Martin and Hunter are all good fighters and getting better. I'm rooting for all. I thought Wilder was really impressive against Stiverne. I liked that he had to box the full 12. And he barely clinched at all. It was a breath of fresh air.

 

I'll give Breazeale a bit more slack than Washington, as he's younger and has ok fundamentals. But what's so good about Washington??? He's no spring chicken, has limited technical skills and doesn't pack the kind of punch needed to make up for it... Yeah looking good against the likes of Mike Shepard, really impressive!

 

No, I was referring to the guys he's beaten. That's why I made it a point to say PRICE and SOLIS.

 

Misread your post, my apologies.