Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah...he'd be a great amateur!:yep
     
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  2. Biff_McBiff

    Biff_McBiff New Member Full Member

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    Clearly you are from the tragically romanticized Rocky Balboa tough-guy school of boxing that values intangibles like "testicular fortitude" and "irreversable brain damage", over superior athleticism and boxing skill.

    The point of boxing is to hit, and not be hit.

    Still waiting on your evidence supporting that earlier pseudo-scientific nonsense masquerading as conventional wisdom and boxing analysis. Oh, that's right, there is none.

    Never mind.
     
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  3. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    What's wrong with that? :huh
     
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  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    To me, the point of pro boxing is to hurt and not get hurt. If I wanted "hit and not get hit", I'd watch amateur boxing or...fencing...:smooch

    You might not be aware of this, but if you're dehydrated, the concentration of the fluid surrounding the brain increases. The greater the concentration, the greater the damage to the brain when you get hit on the head. The greater the damage to the brain, the harder it is for you to make the count when you get buzzed. The better hydrated you are, the better the punch you can take without going donw/out.

    Now, it's common knowledge that Pavlik is killing himself to make weight. He needs to dehydrate quite a lot to do so. Even if he rehydrates after the weigh-in, he still cannot do so sufficiently to take that punch as well as he could. If he fought at 168, he'd have to dehydrate less to make weight and he could take a better punch.

    I hope that wasn't too hard for you to follow. If it was, don't worry. Just take my word for it!:hi:
     
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  5. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Pavlik is worlds better than the hypejob and would expose, stalk, and pummel the ******...Dawson would get ruined. Pavlik has ruined better chins:deal
     
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  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah...this is about power/chin to me, because Pavlik would definitely land that right hand.
     
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  7. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dawson can't make 168 anymore, so this question is a moot one.

    At 175 or a catchweight (say 172) Dawson UD12 Pavlik.
     
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  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He can make 168...he has to build up for LHW; he said HIMSELF recently he can easily make 168...:deal
     
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  9. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really? Please show me the quote.

    I know for a fact that since before the Harding fight his team had stated 168 was too big a drain for him, hence why he stayed there for a total of ~2 fights.

    They have also said Dawson will eventually move up from 175.
     
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  10. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Exactly:good that right hand would land over, and over and over......
    Honestly Decebal I feel Diaconu would have a better chance at beating Dawson than Pavlik....my reasons are based on style...lets compare
    Pavlik is a bit easier to hit than Diaconu who is short and bends, dips, and weaves to make himself even more difficult to hit...Pavlik does a good job of slipping punches he's just more upright
    Ring Generalship is about even for me
    Stamina goes to Pavlik
    Power goes to Diaconu however this is a bit decieving as Pavliks straighter punches don't need Diaconu level power to put his opponent out
    Pavlik is abit more predictable than Diaconu who is random and calculated...Pavlik is pretty basic: jab, jab, straight, jab, jab, straight
    Diaconu is more like Tszyu, Mosley, Tua, or Tyson
    Based on these factors I like Diaconu beating Dawson more than Pavlik
    Not saying Pavlik couldnt do it, he would just have a tougher time:good
    Cheers
     
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Chad Dawson, April 2008: "I definitely want to unify the titles at 175 but I can also still make 168 so I could also look at going down there and fighting for a title. I’m always looking to unify titles but I want big fights now. I want to fight guys like Roy Jones Jr., Antonio Tarver, guys like that who are still hanging around, even Joe Calzaghe, that would be a big fight for me too."

    http://fightfan.com/?p=113
     
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  12. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Thats another way of saying "I'll take the path of least resistance, beat up old champs on the brink of Social Security."
     
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  13. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well in that case I stand corrected.

    Imo he would be drained at 168, as his team have said. Perhaps this was said to get the ball rolling for a megafight with Calzaghe. :think
     
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    No...he is not a natural LHW; his ideal weight is 168 but there's better risk/reward fights for him at 175 right now.
     
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  15. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    It's disgusting how badly Pavlik is winning this poll
     
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