Pavlik v. Dawson at 168, if both had 6 months to prepare; who wins?

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It's not...people are realising that Pavlik is strong enough to last enough to buzz and finish Dawson's shakey chin, that's all.:good
     
  2. teke

    teke Titans Time !!! Full Member

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    Yeah i dont think that Dawson will stay at 175 for too long, he has a big frame that needs filling out.
     
  3. teke

    teke Titans Time !!! Full Member

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    Strength will get you only so far until that skilled opponent shows you
     
  4. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    But can he get there? Dawson isn't the most defensively sound fighter but I can easily see his speed offsetting Pavlik's rhythm to throw punches.

    Johnson was able to have success because he is relentless and is always in your face. Pavlik is not like that.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    His style of fighting and the way his fights are scored give him a great chance against anyone, if he survives 12 rounds. The older fighters might hit him with more effective hits, but they're not going to match him in the pitter-patter department...
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    He'll outbox him for 4-5 rounds, making him look like ****. The point is that he doesn't have the power to hurt him. After those first rounds, he'll slow down and get tagged. Pavlik has what it takes to buzz him and finish him. You don't have to be relentless to tag him. You have to be able to land a good enough right a couple of times. This is precisely what Pavlik can do. Dawson just doesn't do head movement.
     
  7. Samurai

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    Dawson can punch, I don't know where you get this idea he's featherfisted. There's NO way Pavlik is going to just walk him down and not respect his power. Hell, he respected Taylor's.

    Pavlik is not that defensively sound either, if Dawson is landing combo's on him the way he was Adamek..things could get extremely ugly.
     
  8. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    IF he survives 12 rounds.....tick,tick,tick..booom and NEW champion Adrian Diaconu:fire
    If I remember correctly Don King promised Adi's camp that the fight with Dawson would be in Romania...this talk of Dawson will cease soon enough
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Who said he's featherfisted? Of course Pavlik's chin is not guaranteed to last 12 rounds against Dawson. But think about it...who has the better chin and more power? Pavlik wouldn't walk him down; he'd box as well as he could to survive the opening rounds, then he'd start setting up his right as Dawson slowed down and lost concentration and movement. He is BOUND to tag Dawson with that right. Once he does so, things would get extremely ugly.

    Pavlik would get the job done before the last quarter...Dawson couldn't stop him in 9 rounds...
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It doesn't matter where the fight is, to Diaconu. He HAS to knock Dawson out. The judges and ref don't really matter.
     
  11. Samurai

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    Keep in mind, at 168 pounds, Pavlik's hands and feet will be slower and his punching power will diminish slightly so I doubt he'll KO Dawson with the first right hand he lands.
     
  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    It doesn't matter. Dawson is there to be hit. He doesn't move and he doesn't move his head. Pavlik's timing is good enough. Johnson tagged him well and he wasn't exactly fast...

    He won't KO Dawson with the first right hand that he lands; he'll buzz him, just like Johnson did. Unlike Johnson, he has the workrate/energy and finishing skills to finish the job...Dawson would lose by TKO.
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Dawson isn't there to be hit.:nono He has more movement than any boxer Kelly has ever faced and it will give him fits. If anyone in this match up is there to be hit it's Kelly not the other way around.:deal You continue to underrate things like southpaw stance, a good jab, speed, combo punching, accuracy and movement. These things can't be overlooked in this fight. Kelly really has no more than a puncher's chance in this fight at best, he can't outbox Dawson and we still don't know how his power will carry to 168. You even say so yourself that Dawson will make him look silly for 4 or 5 rounds. What makes you so sure he can't keep it up for 12? Because a tough relentless vet like Johnson gave him hell? You can't make that comparison since they are much different fighters. Johnson has a iron chin and couldn't really be hurt by Dawson, Kelly has an average to shaky chin and can be hurt badly by Chad big difference there. Dawson has the clear style advantage here, he's the more complete boxer here period not to mention the size advantage and Dawson taking punches from guys at 175. Anyone that can't see it is blind as ****. Dawson by wide UD.
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Dawson always burns out down the stretch. Dawson cannot keep up the pace and concentration for 12 rounds. He is there to be hit against EVERY opponent he has faced in his last couple of fights. Pavlik will have even better power at 168. Kelly WILL be hit, but Dawson doesn't have the power to hurt him enough early to stop Pavlik from tagging him effectively later on. Pavlik will be outboxed, but so what? He needs to limit the damage and wait for Dawson's concentration to crack, before taking advantage. Kelly's chin is good enough to take Dawson's power. Dawson's chin is not good enough to take Kelly's. Add Kelly's finishing skills and you have the result. Pavlik TKO 9.
     
  15. Ramshall1

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    I have no interest in seeing Dawson run from Pavlik for as long as he can run.