Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by southpaw1974, Apr 30, 2008.


  1. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are comparing the whole career of a retired fighter to a guy that is 30 years old and in his prime. Robinson was 41-0 at one time before he lost to Lamotta and then he avenged it. Mayweather also lost to Castillo but later avengaed it. Then Robinson won 89 times and 2 draws and was 130-1-2 lets see Floyd accomplish that.
     
  2. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    Different person
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Different guy. The other is worse believe it or not.
     
  4. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Sweet Pea and Samurai - i got that wrong there! My apologies to SlickSouthpaw!!! This idiot really is a clown though isnt he??

    Pea, the kid that started this thread must be hard to top!!
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not reading this whole thread becase it will be depressing.

    I will just say that Robinson spent most of his career fighting more often, spent more time in the danger zone in each fight, fought more rounds, fought bigger men, fought aggressively, is less quick.
     
  6. Vaile

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    :rofl
     
  7. teeto

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    Not worth reading McGrain , i read the initial post and just jumped right here, i cant even be bothered wastin' my time explainin' why this is complete bull-manure!
     
  8. pablokerr

    pablokerr Member Full Member

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    southpaw i think its fair to say u was wrong on this thread listen and learn before u say things :)
     
  9. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As awful as the premise was, this thread still has educational value. Pea, you are to be commended.

    Blocky, dude, this is not the right thread to inject your semi-valid theory of sports science advances into. This is a monument to the childishly delusional state of a misguided Mayweather fan boy.
     
  10. AlonzoGreene

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    Damn why is the thread starter taking soo much heat? He is not trolling. In reality, he is actually making a couple of good points when he addresses the idea that, for many people, no fighter can ever be considered greater than Sugar Ray Robinson. He is correct, SRR was not a perfect fighter. He is also correct that Mayweather was a better defensive fighter than Robinson. Yet, he is equally incorrect to neglect the power that Sugar Ray Robinson had-- with both hands. Robinson was far better offensively than Mayweather yet he seems to neglect this.

    I say we should take this article in a more broad sense. It is much more of a critique of the notion that no modern fighter can be elevated above Robinson. In that regards, I think he does have some valid points. I still have Robinson as the top p4p fighter of all-time, but he was not perfect, thus critiques do not offend me as such. Give the guy a break though, damn.


    P.S.-- No I don't think Mayweather is a top 10, 20, or 30 p4p fighter yet so please don't attempt to group me with the fanboys.
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A modern fighter could certainly move above RObinson. He'd have to be very, very special body and mind though.

    I think a hugely ambitions Jones could possibly have done it, though my guess is he would have fallen short. But a fighter would need that kind of talent plus the fighting heart of a guy like Langford or Pavlik.

    As it is, a slim case exsists for Ali, and he fought as late as 1980, and a stronger case exsists for Roberto Duran who fought as recently as 2000.
     
  12. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it was fun seeing this guy owned in every way on his own thread.
     
  13. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, rather than respond to each and every one of the posts I will address them all as a whole. First of all, thanks for proving my point that you guys are categorical Robinson nuthuggers. Go back and read your posts and tell me that you are not totally incapable of being objective and even entertaining the thought of a modern fighter being as good or better than your God. If someone were new to boxing, they would think "Jesus, this Robinson dude must have been flawless. Did he ever even lose? Did he ever get dropped? Does his **** even stink? Did he walk on water? Heal the blind?"

    My arguement that Mayweather is as good or better is based on a combination of things and not just the fact that he is undefeated. Most of you guys who claim to be experts have only seen a little bit of footage of him. There's no footage of him at 147lbs, and we can only go by what they have. All you people who claim to know how good his opposition was are simply parroting what other posters have said. You don't know what the **** you are talking about. You guys are in your 20's and 30's and don't know any more than I do. Also, I've been in the ring, how many have you?

    Common sense tells you that in any era, when you fight as often as he did, you will face a ton of bums. Boxing is arguably the toughest sport to compete in, but the easiest to break into. There is no draft ala the NFL, NBA, and NHL. If you can pass the medical tests and are in reasonably good physical condition, they will license you. This allows for a ton of guys who are technically "professional boxers" because they are getting paid, but are seriously lacking in the skills department.

    For a guy that had almost 200 fights, if there were as many great fighters as you guys claim, that would mean that he should have faced around 30-40 A level and potentially Hall of Fame fighters (which he didn't). That would mean that 15-20% of his opponents were A level. Someone named 13 "great" fighters that he faced 13 is only about 7% of the amount of fights he had, which means that around 93% of his oppoents were not A level opponents. Mayweather has had 39 fights and I named 6 A level fighters he has faced which amounts to about 15% of his opponents.

    Robinson had about 5 times the amount of fights that Mayweather had, and per capita faced less A level fighters!! Also, even if someone came up with more A level fighters that Robinson faced, to not factor in the disparity in the number of fights each fighter had would be retarted. Even in spite of the disparity, there is only a difference of 6 or 7. Also, you guys don't know **** about the fighters you are listing, you've only seen footage of them against Robinson (if you've even seen that).

    Fighters are better now than back in the day. They are more athletic, have better training methods, better nutrition, and the sport is older and thus more knowledge has been attained. Anybody who argues with this is a moron. Athletes in every sport are better now than in the past. It's no disrespect to the old-time fighters it's just a fact. 40 years from now I will be saying the same thing about fighters then compared to the ones now. It's a natural evolution, and I would not argue with it. To answer the person's question about who I pick in a H2H matchup between Mayweather and Robinson I pick Mayweather based on superior defense and intellect. Oh my God, I'm going to hell ---I just suggested that someone would actually defeat Jesus Christ, I mean Sugar Ray Robinson.
     
  14. tays001

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    actually this is a dam good post and you saw something i didn't
     
  15. teeto

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    Southpaw, go on the classic forum, look on the thread about people not having SRR at number 1 p4p, look on the first page and read my post about why he is number 1 imo. Just lemme know what u think of that argument. Im not hatin' on u man, i just think u have jumped in with somethin' a bit crazy and wild.

    Also , look at how the guy who started that thread did so, thats a better way to go about such a thread!