Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

How is dominating a guy who out weighs you by 20lbs and shutting him out ... not impressive?

 

His performances against Mitchell and Judah were very impressive. He looked pretty good against Hatton as well. His WW reign was actually more impressive than his 135lb. reign.

 

Beat the legitimate challengers in my eye's. People who are ranked around where they are in a p4p sence, so for example if Floyd beats Cotto he will be undisputed in my eye's.

It may not be the technical definiation of the title but in my eye's that is what it means, in the real world.

 

At 130 and 135 there are only a couple guys in history that may be able to beat PBF. At 147 and 154 there are many against whom he would have little to no chance.

 

Mitchell was frankly shot to ****. The Judah fight was a good fight, but not completly dominant.

Hatton was a good performence, but Hatton is was and always will be tailormade for Floyd to beat the **** out of regardless of weight class.

 

Baldo

 

If everything has improved, why no Heavies that were anywhere close to the talent of the Heavyweights of the 70s? (Ali, Foreman, Norton, Frazier, etc) Or even a little before that? (Patterson, Marciano, Liston, Zora Folley) Why do so many of the current foighters get so tired going 12 rounds when many of the past fighters could go 15 and still look fresh? I don't think training or technique evolved to much since then Oh and by the way Floyd's style was based on the style of past fighters, his dad didn't create it (thus i'm sure fighters of the past have encountered it before)

 

Lineal yes.

"Legitament", undisputed, or unified? No.

 

well, Robsinson fought much stiffer competition and fought over 100 times. That's pretty good if you ask me. People think it is so bad to get knocked down in boxing. That's what happens. It's nearly inevitable. It's not b/c he was a bad fighter. it's simply b/c he was tested. it doesnt take away from his greatness, nor does it make anyone believe floyd is suppose to be better b/c he hasnt gone down.

 

It doesn't matter that much about the comp. We're talking about what weight class Floyd was at his best. Like I said before, his best stretch was arguably between the N'Dou fight and the Judah fight. Floyd has been very effective and impressive at WW. He completely dominated Mitchell and Judah, and eventually dominated and KO'd Hatton. He shutout Baldo. It's hard to be much more effective and impressive than that.

 

Floyd is a great defensive fighter, one of the best of all time, but as far as being on Robinsons's level, a guy that opened up, didn't duck anyone, and had a burning desire to win at all costs, Mayweather isn't there.

He's good, but he's not an ATG. If he started taking stiffer challenges and exposing himself by not being content with merely "not losing" the fight, he might reach that level, but he's NO WHERE near it right now.

Floyd's never had to FIGHT to survive before; he's never really been in adversity, and that's the kind of fight he would be in at least for moments when/if he fought Cotto or Margarito.

 

He did not completly dominate Judah at all, dominating Mitchell is hardly something to shout home about.

Shut out of Baldo was imprssive that he could shut out a fighter that was legitimatly a champion and much bigger, but he did nothing to try to end the fight or even do anything more than win, yes he had hand injuries but that would not have stopped him from throwing much much more. Impressive?

Also it matters 100% about the comp, that defines how impressive and effective the performences are.

 

Judah was pretty much completely dominated. He had two good rounds and was throughly pummeled from rounds 5 to 10. He may have been stopped had he not blatantly fouled Mayweather. His face was busted up as well and he was afraid to throw punches, that's getting dominated. As far as your comment about Mitchell, Mayweather dominated him. How does dominating a fighter prove that you're not effective? I think dominating a professional fighter is a good sign of effectiveness.

I never even mentioned Baldo as one his impressive WW performances. Even thoug, relatively speaking, it was.

No it doesn't. If you dominate a fighter how is that not effective? How is it not impressive to professional fighters look like amateurs?

 

Effectivness is all relitive to compititon levels, for example Floyd dominating Gatti was not as impressive as his domination of Corrales. In terms of effectiveness I fail to see how your level of compition does not come in to it.

Beating one fighter in say Mitchell does not allow you to judge effectiveness, in relitive terms.

What was being discussed in this thread and what I was referring to was how effective Floyd is at 147, being effective against Mitchell, Judah or Hatton does not aid you in comparison to Hearns, Robinson et al.