Zab Judah calls Roach out! Freddie was a Punching bag.

Pac is a 8 div champ fighter of the decade won and the only 4 weight lineal champion in 4 different weight classes along with many accolades he is a true ATG judah is a bum compared to him

 

Charlie signed a waiver to box Wilder in the ring. Wilder punched Charlie when he was down and attacked him outside the ring. That's assault on someone half his size.

 

The best trainers are very rarely great pro boxers themselves... Judah is a clown.

 

No, he' not saying that. He talked about Judah being beaten up in sparring and Judah retaliated.

 

I might be the first person on here to post that despite Wilder's size advantage and the fact that he is a legit pro, he never hurt Zelenoff. Sure he knocked him down, but i watched that video and couldn't believe Wilder couldn't starch that 150 pound guy.

TBH, Wilder should be a little bit ashamed that for all of the anger and rage he had against Zelenoff (and rightfully so), he could not knock him out. And Wilder actually posted up some videos later talking about how bad he whooped that Charlie Z Kid like it was some accomplishment. There's rumors that Wilder is fighting Shannon Briggs next...Wilder needs to go back to Alabama where he can be the toughest guy in the neighborhood because any version of Shannon Briggs will KO this guy...

 

Judah is best remembered by most for his jelly leg dance against kostya

 

I'm guy who is a little bit "in the know" about the Charlie Z thing. I emailed / facebooked Charlie a lot back in the day when he first started his boxing stuff. I used to message him alot over at insidehoops.com - he was always friendly and respectful in email / facebook chat.

That being said, I do believe Charlie has some sort of mental issue. His father Eugene said that Charlie's mother has the same sort of condition, but did not elaborate on what it is. I think most of it is an act, sort of a jekyl / hide thing. Charlie is mild mannered by day - he lives in a nice neighborhood in West Hollywood, CA, where there are literally million dollar + houses. He is / was taking classes at Santa Monica College. I think he does the whole Charlie Z / thug / tough guy thing on the internet, i do not think that's how he is in real life. Even the videos he makes on the internet where he shows "his crib" - that is not his house - those videos are filmed in a friend's basement.

Charlie had a s**** with this guy named Jason Urbisci in 2009 who used to be a trainer at Fortune's Gym, who ironically just like Charlie has an 0-1 record as a professional fighter. Jason ended up "beating" Charlie if you can call it that - Charlie ended up dropping Urbisci with a punch, and Urbisci ended up getting an armbar to end the fight. Keep in mind Charlie has no MMA experience, but this Jason guy has rolled with Rodrigo Gracie. Anyway - this whole thing happened at Fortune's Gym, and the fallout / etc. was so bad that Urbisci was constantly getting heckled, etc.. on his facebook. So after that Charlie got a little bit of "celebrity" if you can call it that, and started going over board on all the videos and stuff.

I do not think Zelenoff is psychotic, but he is a megalomaniac or something. Most people also do not know that Zelenoff served time in 2011/2012 for assault / armed robbery but was released under the first time felon thing after serving like 8 months. A buddy of mine in LA says that Zelenoff didn't really do "hard" time, it could have been much worse.

 

The problem for Zab here is that Roach is a better trainer than he is/was a fighter. So Roach may have been an average boxer, but he's one of the best trainers out there. Him not having built someone up from the ground up doesn't mean anything. There could be many reasons for that and I won't get into them. If what he does is so easy, many more trainers should be having the same success he is, but we all know that's not case.

Zab is terrific athlete and he was a very talented and dangerous fighter in his time. I've always been a fan of him, but I disagree with him here. Roach is no bum.

 

The problem is Roach mouthed off about Judah and Judah retaliated. Did you really think that Roach could say anything he wants about Judah and Judah wouldn't retaliate? Wtf is wrong with some of you lol...

You wouldn't let someone you know talk about you getting beat up in your neighborhood let alone sparring...so why should Judah take the easy road? Wtf lol...

You couldn't have forgotten that fast what Roach said about Judah.

It's the same as you talking about Floyd and thinking his fans are mad at what you said, and then as soon as Floyds fans dis Pac's fans, you go off like they shouldn't have said what they said.

 

And Kostya is best remembered for being zombified on them ropes by Cool Vince Phillips.