Cotto No.1 without the PBF fight?

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  1. taino

    taino Active Member Full Member

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    ya i just don't understand how cotto hase fought Quintana Judah Mosley and Margo next in a talented division and he still got to do more to get higher on the p4p list.
     
  2. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    PBF will probably still keep his p4p #1 until he loses but real boxing fans will know who the man is (Cotto) and who is a boy (Mayweather)
     
  3. Undisputed P4P

    Undisputed P4P esb FBL & FIFA 12 champ Full Member

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    there will come a time when cotto will be top dog and then mayweather would be offering him out, i think it would be similar to leonard vs hagler, where when leonard was the man to beat he wouldn't give hagler a fight, but when hagler was ruling the sport leonard wanted to fight him. thankfully that great fight took place, not sure about this one though.
     
  4. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    If Floyd doesn't fight Cotto, then yeah, Cotto will be #1 due to the fact he's cleaning out the welterweight division..
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    No way that Cotto's going to trump Pac and PBF ... I think that Calzaghe is on his heels with his recent victory over B-Hop and gaining his second lineal title.

    There's nothing Cotto could do to leap PBF ... if anything he would have to hope for PBF and Pac to retire ... even if Floyd doesn't do what many fans expect him to do ... there's still Pac who's aiming for a title at 135 ...

    There's no realistic chance of him doing that ...
     
  6. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    You guys need to give Cotto room ... he's going to have a tough time with Margarito ... win or lose !!
     
  7. Tito Time

    Tito Time slayin um Full Member

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    Hard to pick top p4p but to leap frog floyd if floyd only fights hoya and hatton...

    Cotto only needs 2 of the following options..

    1. Defeat Margo
    2. Beat either Williams, Mosley (again) anyway or...
    3. KO Berto, KO Clottey

    Cotto only needs to complete 2 of the options above to pass floyd.

    To be p4p, will depend on what Slappy and Pac do.
    :deal
     
  8. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Agreed. Cotto will definately have to defeat Margo.. A win over Williams and Mosley again would help a lot too.. Don't know if a win over Berto would put him over Floyd, but Clottey would.. I don't think he would even have to KO Clottey because Clottey is a dangerous opponent and IMO is very underrated.. If Cotto was to do all or even half of this, he would be the #1 WW in boxing as Floyd would drop even in the p4p status.. Dunno if this would put Cotto #1 P4P as Pacquiao is continuing to prove his dominance as a p4p fighter and Calzaghe.. All depends on what Pac and Cal do, just like you said..
     
  9. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Dare we forget the hype for a moment people.......and lets dare to look at rankings by who has done more lately:yep
    Mayweather was a good SuperFeather......thats it:deal
    Since 140 Cotto has beaten the following:
    Kelson Pinto
    Lovemore N'dou
    Randall Bailey
    DeMarcus Corley
    Ricardo Torres (current WBO 140lb champ)
    Paulie Malignaggi (current IBF 140lb champ)
    Carlos Quintana (current WBO 147lb champ)
    Zab Judah
    Shane Mosley

    Now lets see what Mayweather has done since 140:
    Demarcus Corley(took Gayweather 12 rounds to UD a guy Cotto KTFO in 5)
    Henry Bruseles
    Arturo Gatti(shot and currently retired)
    Shamba Mitchell(shot and currently retired)
    Zab Judah(PBF got owned the first half of the fight and struggled to get a decision, whereas Cotto again KOd an opponent Gayweather struggled with)
    Carlos Baldomir(ain't doing **** now and PBF had to run for 12 rounds to win)
    Oscar De La Hoya(still has a little left but again PBF struggled his way to a SD)
    Ricky Hatton(fought a bogus 140lb champ, widley known as a wrestler ever since Collazo owned him, and in case you didnt know Ricky Hatton is DONE in the world of competitive boxing, he puts on "shows" nowadays)

    There you have it so how anyone can put PBF in front of anybody P4P is beyond me...There are a handful of fighters that have done more lately:deal
     
  10. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    'Pound 4 Pound' is not an official title, its completely subjective. If somebody wants t Cotto at number 1 and Floyd at number 2 they can do, whether Cotto is th Champ or not. I have Marquez above Pac in my p4p list.:bart
     
  11. taino

    taino Active Member Full Member

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    i agree 100%..:good
     
  12. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    This post is completely bias and filled with half truths and lies.
     
  13. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Im sorry if facts make you feel this way BigReg....sometimes the truth hurts:yep
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Like that your boy Diaconu is an average fighter at best who was lucky to ge the decision of Chirs Henry?

    Let's take a look at something you wrote in your previous post

    First off, Floyd did not get owned in the first half of that fight. Zab had exactly 2 good rounds the entire fight(rounds 2 and 4). Round 2, could possibly have went Floyd's way being that the KD wasn't counted. So after 6 rounds, Zab had won 3 rounds at the most. Considering Round 1 was a tossup and Floyd had some good moments in round 2, it's completely contradicitary to reality to say that Floyd got owned in the first half of the fight.

    To say that Floyd struggled to get a decision is even more far fetched. Zab won no more than 4 rounds. Included in those 4 rounds was round 12. Zab was pummeled between rounds 5 and 11 and clearly lost round 3 as well. This means that going into the 11th, even if you gave every close round up to that point to Zab, he needed a KD/KO to win. He may have gotten stopped had he not set off a riot.

    There are plenty of other flawed points that you made that I could rip apart as well.
     
  15. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This reminds me a lot of Jeff Lacy. When he was ****ing everyone up at 168 and Joe C was fighting bums everyone was saying **** Joe, Lacy is the man and if they don't fight Lacy is # 1 without fighting Joe. Well we all know what happened when they fought.

    Now I am not saying that the same would be the case here, I am simply saying that you have to lose the #1 status in the ring. If Cotto wants to be #1 he needs to beat Floyd.