Floyd: Pacquiao was better than I expected.

Everyone knows pac got completely nullified. Mayweather in the words of Pac****s was coming into the fight with no legs, bad hands, and completely weight drained and he still made pac look clueless.

 

If that's the case, that applies more to Pacquiao in that his style is reliant on athleticism. Floyd's reflexes have already slowed significantly but since he is so cagey in the ring, he has other ways of maintaining defensive efficacy.

 

Mayweathers style of training is largely based on reflexes. If saturdays showed us something hes still got them. He,s took very little damage in his career due to being a defensive first fighter. That will keep you fighting much longer than someone thats spent most of their career on the front foot. You d have to be crazy to think someone that rarely gets hit with 48 fights wouldnt last as long as a fighter with 64 fights who has been hit frequently. Thats not even hard to see. But again its the case of elevated the winner higher than he maybe deserves and bashing the loser more than he deserves in the aftermath of a fight. I dont necessary disagree with what you ve wrote but theres variables to that. That should be obvious

 

it's crazy how some fans think. fighters that rely on reflexes and speed are the fighters capable of getting old over night.

floyds style built for longevity , are you phuking kidding me

 

Many people are idiots and don't know their history.

 

I agree with this 100%, good post.

Still, Mayweathers' fighting style is not built for longevity as you had said.

There are many factors to break down if we were having a serious lengthy debate about it.

 

Floyd Sr seemed impressed. I think it's because he realized Floyd couldn't do what they had strategized the minute Floyd felt Pac's skills. Remember, Floyd Sr kept telling Floyd that he was scared and was yelling at him.

 

I honestly believe the mitt work plays a major part of mayweathers success. They drill it for two hours at a time in training camp. Thats the reason he's still got his reflexes at 38. The post from the guy above saying the speed guys with reflexes are the ones that age the quickest. I do actually agree but most of them are just naturally reflexive guys. And eventually through age that goes. Mayweathers been drilling them pads for years...and its allowed his reflexes to stay pretty much intact for me. . The longetivity in terms of pacman was hes always relied on his high work rate but its clear thats in decline. Most of pacmans success has always relied on his incredible work rate. Hes not half the fighter without it. And its clear to see its not nearly what it was. I think a lot of it is down to the weight class being just a little too big for him more in terms of frame than anything else. Thats not too take anything away from mayweather but hes knew exactly what he was doing. It should have been made five years ago.

 

Pac also nullified Floyd's offense, he just couldn't throw ... it was a negative fight from both sides with Floyd controlling range and preventing pac from opening up (ie - he used those two inches in reach or whatever perfectly) so Pac wasn't really easy to hit ... until he tried to throw. Pac did well not getting hit in the center of the ring, it wasn't a mismatch, it just didn't have effective offense from anybody, and Floyd had a slight edge because of range.

 

I agree with that. Roach has came in for a lot of stick about the game plan...but it did have a degree of success. Its just that pacman like pretty much everyone before him couldnt get off apart from the 4th and 6th round really. And didnt have the frame to bully mayweather like maidana and de la hoya maybe did at times.

I think people expected pacman to come at mayweather like maidana but it would have got him stopped. Where pacman is as a fighter now it was actually the best game plan he could have had. Its just that mayweather was to good. Pacman was giving up too many variables in the end imo. It was a competetive fight weather was the clear winner by winning most of the rounds mainly by potshotting his way through them. And it worked. Theirs a reason mayweather never listened to his dad who imo shouldnt be in any corner tho. As mayweather said himself he had to be careful and keep his concentration the whole fight because pacman was dangerous more because mayweather did feel his power. Bit of carl froch about pacman sometimes dont thin k his punches are that damaging but they re heavy handed shot as most of his opponents have alluded to.

 

Floyd had the edge because of intelligence. When Floyd chose to be aggressive, he put leather on Pacman. Pacman did nothing to nullify Floyd's offense, Floyd nullified Floyd's offense by being extra cautious.

 

statements like 'this is the best game plan Pac could've had' and 'mayweather was just good good' are just biased, and very biased.

It's all opinion but an objective person would take into account how Pacquaio thoroughly destroyed good fighters with more reach than Floyd (ex. DLH). Granted, Floyd is faster but the discrepancy between Pac's performances cannot be solely attributed to Floyd.

Any objective person would take into account that pacman is one of the fighters that has had the highest work rates over the sat 10 or so years. The guy threw 1,200 punches vs Clottey! He threw 430, and i'm sorry you can't attribute this to just Floyd. The discrepancy is just too huge... Pacquiao said he couldn't throw as much as he wanted to due to his injury and was looking to selectively land a big left, to get a KO. Whether you want to believe him or not, the fact is that he has a significant tear and confirmed by a reputable doctor.

It is true that Pac had to watch out for Floyd's counters but Floyd never really showed much power and Pac has walked down bigger and stronger fighters, albeit slower ones. Did Maidana ever fear Floyd when he relentlessly charge Floyd for 24 rounds? so please don't be making statements like 'Floyd would've stopped pac had be charged more' Floyd doesn;t have the power..

There is no question in my mind that a 100% health Pac could've easily been able to throw 600+ punches. After all, Pac and Freddie always stated Pac has to throw a lot of punches. It's not easy to throw a lot with pain.

as far as range, it's overblown. Again, PAC HAS FACED bigger and stronger fighters and range was never a prob. Mayweather did combine range with speed but Pac could've easily found ways to close the distance and throw more, giving himself a better chance.

People forget what an amazingly fast and skilled fighter Pac has been. I don't give a s h it how skilled Floyd is, 430 punches is absolutely unexplainable without the injury. I don;t care how fast Floyd is or how rangy he is, Floyd doesn't have a lot of power and Pac is very quick, he could've done much more.

I still believe a healthy Pac with right tactics matches up very well vs floyd and Floyd isn't 'too good' for him...

 

Of course a healthy Pacquiao with better tactics and without shoulder issues will always present a serious challenge to Mayweather, nobody needs to remind us of what the guy is capable of, saturday is no slight on him, the approach was all wrong and his shoulder didn't help but it is what it is, he got dealt with and that was always one of the possible outcomes.

 

STFU floyd. you knew PAC was shot and injured yet you were such a pvsssy you needed to hug the man like you were akiwande. LOL. your resume is garbage.

 

So Pac's story is now he was 100% healthy 1 week before the fight. He only wanted the drugs "just in case". I guess when you have multiple lawsuits staring at you, you tell the truth. You can bet Pac won't be talking much now that he put his foot in his mouth. He was looking to cheat for the fight.

Where was the speed the first four rounds? He got a lucky punch in the fourth and reaggravated his injury punching Floyd's gloves like an idiot. Pac is getting roasted by everyone as a coward. Only Pac fans are hanging on to this excuse. Pac tore his rotator cuff hitting Floyd's arms. :rofl:rofl:rofl

The same polls Pac won. Guess what, only 68% of the people want to see a rematch. They don't want to see a rematch with a cowardly Manny.