Statistical Evidence That Manny Pacquiao DID NOT Hurt His Shoulder: Team Pac Exposed!

I think there could be a very minor injury, the doctors claiming that it was a significant tear is a very careful and kind choice of wording. It's obvious by his performance there was no significant injury.

 

You mean to say that Pacquiao simply just failed in the manner that every other boxer before him has done against Mayweather? Surely this can't be true, what is this nonsense...!?

 

One cool statistic that pops up is Guererro throwing 1200 shots against Klassen.

Exactly 100 punches a round. Amazing

 

Did anybody think he was hurt live? Not even Lampley was talking about a possible problem

Manny was jabbing and fired a wild right hook with everything on it later in the fight during round 8

There is no indication he was injured

 

The injury I believe is real but it had no bearing on pacs poor performance. His punch output increased in some of the rounds after he injured it so why wasn't he throwing more before that? Because he was worried about being countered, an injury has no bearing on that. We all know floyd lowers his opponents usual output, same thing happened to pac, simple as that.

 

He was injured fact!

 

I'm sure you'll agree that punches thrown is probably the most important metric in this discussion as related to the effect of any shoulder injury. This basic ana1ysis doesn't actually prove anything conclusively, but it does suggest what we know, that May is able to impede his opponent's offense.

Considering the data that you have presented, I can see that your numbers for Maidana aren't right. You can't decide to include the Mayweather I fight as a "previous opponent before Mayweather" because it better fits your agenda. Comparing the average punches thrown from his May I & II fights against that of the previous three shows a drop of ~190 punches on average, not ~322 as is in your spreadsheet.

Pac's punch output actually dropped by more than the average that May's last 4 opponents output dropped by (264 compared to ~209 for past opponents using the corrected Maidana figure). I'm sure you'd also agree that Manny is a class above those previous opponents, so one would expect the "May effect" to perhaps have a lesser effect on him to some degree. If anything, the fact that his punch output dropped more than the average of May's past 4 opponents suggests that other factors may be at play. Factors such as a shoulder injury for instance (in the fight itself, and/or the effect it had on his training camp).

Don't get me wrong, I don't at all believe that Manny's shoulder was the only reason he didn't look his usual self, or the only reason why he lost. But I believe it had SOME effect on his muted performance, and your data actually would suggest so too.

As far as saying that you didn't see that Pacquiao was in pain, firstly I've stumbled across the following paper.

"Symptoms of pain do not correlate with rotator cuff tear severity"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24875019

So this injury cannot be denied by anecdotal evidence of how people's experience with this injury proves that Pac could not have been suffering the same injury. Don't forget that May fought through the Castillo I fight with a similar rotator cuff tear which also required surgery.

/essay

 

...I really don't see the point of these exposes that are "FACT!" While I think Team Pac using the "Pac had a shoulder injury, therefore he lost" excuse is them being a sore loser, I doubt that Pac has faked an injury.

I think it's time we moved on from this ugly fallout from the Megafight, all this finger pointing and conspiracy talk is getting to the point of eye rolling and sighing.

 

It's one of those minor surgeries, removing chips or whatnot.

It's not a huge tear in the rotator cuff. :rofl

Book it. He'll say he had a miraculous recovery in a month or two and say he's back in the gym.

:yep

 

Well I hope Pacquiao isn't rushing his recovery

 

I didn't even watch the fight so far, I just want to point out that it is pretty cheeky to present punchstats of 4 fights as a meaningful statistical evidence