Ill try not to come across as crass in this retort lol but....do you and your boyfriend even know what ''being in shape'' means? no one said he came to the ring with a beer gut ..compared to the average person he may have been in shape but does that mean he was in fighting shape? no...it was a combination of things and the biggest being he didnt think he had to take Buster that serious and he ended up paying for it, he was lost in there and let a scared fighter get brave, even the commentators were saying Tyson wasnt fighting like Tyson..
OOoOoO snap!! you have a fat shaft...and my girl likes to sit on it..derp derp.:nut...lol what a lame...how old are you may I ask?
Tyson had time to prepare for Douglas. It's often an excuse when a fighter loses "I didn't train right." Who cares ? Maybe Douglas still wasn't training right either, he still looked a bit soft to me, it doesn't matter. He won, so he didn't need to make excuses. As Floyd tweeted earlier #winners win, loses make excuses Tyson lost the fight, no excuses.
Thing is, I think perhaps Tyson could have developed into a greater fighter if he'd stayed with his original trainer OR gone with a better one, started to bring more variety and adaptability to his style. I'm not sure his style was complete at all, he seemed lost when Douglas had him figured. Maybe he had the D'Amato style mastered but he could have developed new assets. I could imagine him becoming more like Duran if he'd worked at it, either with Rooney as his second, or with some seasoned trainer like Futch. With his short height and short reach he'd always have been vulnerable at heavyweight against some great talents but with a few more angles to his game he might have stayed champion for a long time.
I agree that he still had a lot to learn, when he lost focus. He never really mastered the inside game, for a start.
Ooooh, give yourself a blue peter badge. You are the ten thousandth numpty to come out with the old chestnut about Tyson not being " fighting fit " Sign my fuking hat.:roll::roll:
I think the D'Amato defense system is flawed too. It relies too much on movement and speed. If an opponent starts timing it right and landing jabs through the peek-a-boo, there's no apparent adjustment. It's too energetic, and fast-paced. A complete fighter needs to parry and block at times, and have some adjustments in hand positioning. I think Tyson could/would have learned this from the old-timers even. I can admire Tyson's style for its dynamic energy, but it would need to be matured and refined sooner or later because those long-armed HWs would have started to figure him. As Douglas in fact did.
I understand what you are trying to say, but my contention is people only become icons by the nature of the millions of people world wide that know them. Boxing in the 80's had become somewhat marginalised. The reason Tyson had iconic status in that decade was indeed due to his personal life. I would hazard a guess his pre troubles audience was merely a fraction of his audience once the car wrecks, assaults, divorce blah, blah, fuking blah nonsense became public. Similarly it was the same in the 60's with Ali. His " Louisville Lip " act got him well known to the wider public. Ffs when he rematched Liston less than 4,000 people turned up. Hardly the numbers an icon attracts.
No problem. That has been my contention regarding him and Ali and the " public " as opposed to boxing fans, all along. I'd hazard a guess that the only Heavyweight to reach iconic status solely due to his in ring exploits would have been Joe Louis, and as we know that was long before mass ownership of televisions, never mind internet, closed circuit, and such. Even Jack Johnson needed his consorting with white women lifestyle to become known to the wider public.
:roll::roll::roll: You started the corn with your FEEBLE fighting fit garbage excuse. I merely replied in kind, as it seems to be your level of debate.
You know better ..in his prime all that out of the ring stuff was the side show, what he did in the ring is what got peoples attention, possibly the most exciting fighter ever
. True. I agree he was not just a hype job. I argued that in another post. But, the general public did latch on to his out of the ring **** and it started to overshadow the fights with the general public. The real shame is not the public's perception but that the out of the ring problems did, in reality, affect Tyson and he dimished as a fighter.
The Style wasn't bad, it required someone to be in the gym and training with absolute discipline 24/7, no short cuts, the style required the fighter to be in tip top physical shape and conditioning along with speed, reflexes to execute against it well. The loss against Douglas had more to do with one fighter being on the best night of his life and the other his absolute worse. You should just compare the amount of mistakes tyson made in the ring and the skills he lost with Rooney and Post Rooney.
at that point tyson was so side tracked by booze,drugs and woman,i am surprised he showed up at all.douglas on the other hand was in his best shape and was very motivated because his mom had just passed and he was dedicating the fight to her.this was from an hbo interview the night of the fight.