I don't know why you keep posting these links. Did you not watch Mayweather vs Manny last week? Did you seriously expect him to say anything different to the media?
general zod, Yes, he needed to use heavy weights to bulk up to HW, and to maintain his physique. But after he signed to fight Tarver, he needed to shed muscle mass. What do you class as body weight training? Push ups etc? The process of detraining requires not doing anything. Detraining is basically not training. How did he not have to do anything different from any of his other LHW camps? Detraining can affect everyone differently, depending on things such as age, weight, and fitness etc. Yes, as soon as Roy had stopped training to maintain his HW physique, in theory, the process of detraining would have begun. But to have fully committed to the regime, it would have required him to have done pretty much nothing. He didn't detrain. He went with the other option, which was fasted training. I know cardio causes muscle loss. That's what he did. But it's very specific training. Average boxing training wouldn't have lost him the weight, because to train at a catabolic rate, means that you have to do prolonged periods of cardio (running) on hardly any food. The link that you have posted contains some interesting information. But how does it apply to Roy's circumstances? Did Byrd cut 40 pounds of overall weight in 5 weeks though? Also, Roy's cut of 7 pounds +, was muscle, with an overall weight loss of around 20 + pounds. Again, you are implying that Roy ONLY had to cut 7 + pounds of TOTAL weight. Now why are you purposely trying to mislead people? Now let's look at Byrd. Now I've seen the interview where he claims he lost 40 pounds in 5 weeks, but I think that had to have been an error on his part. Either that, or a possible misquote. Because as far as I'm aware, it was just under 40 pounds, over a 6-7 month period. In the following article, he elaborates on how he lost the weight. He ate small meals and did lots of cardio like Roy did. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3389804 With regards to Roy's lies/exaggerations in the media, he's got a huge ego. It happens from time to time. Now I'm a huge fan, but I'm not naive or stupid. But if he says he dropped or gained 25 pounds of muscle and not overall weight to the media, and he can get away with it, he will do. It sounds better. It's really no different to the 206 pounds that you mentioned earlier. It's kidology. His ego is huge. He was the consensus pound for pound number one fighter on the planet for nearly a decade with a moniker of 'Superman.' Then all of a sudden he'd lost 3 fights straight. Then he had his little comeback run. When he was asked about his losses, he said it'd had taken him years to get back adjusted to the weight, and he felt rejuvenated. Now what was the alternative? To say that he lost all those fights because he was no longer the fighter he once was? It was never going to happen. He beat Tito and claimed that he felt as though he was 27 years old again. Just a few months ago he said that he'd been working out in a gravity suit and he now believes that he's faster at 46, than what he was when he was in his prime. So again, it happens with most fighters, not just Roy. But bending the truth and exaggerating and implying things, doesn't mean that he's always been an out and out liar like what you believe. Going back to Byrd, did he exaggerate/lie to the interviewer, or was it an honest mistake or a misquote? In the article that I've posted, he speaks of losing his final 15 pounds within a 5 week period. And the article is a lot more informative than the article below, where he criticised Roy and said his total weight loss was in 5 weeks. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8793096/what-roy-jones-jr-had-remained-heavyweight-2003 Also, in the above interview, Byrd stated that Roy made excuses when he said he'd lost the weight too fast. Yet in this article from below from the previous year, he's quoted as saying that he himself lost the weight way too fast. http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-new...ght-champ-talks-about-the-byrds-eye-view/2821 There's also two other articles where he mentions it: http://boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=17118 http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/120639-byrd-not-quite-finished-yet
Roy Jones had built himself up a lot, and the more you stray away from your natural weight, the more you have to struggle to stay there. It should have been fast and easy for Roy to boil back down.
There are 2 versions of the weight cutting story. 1: The story he told during his camp 2: The story he started telling the day of the fight. A story which has been "tweaked" over the years I might add. You have no idea if he was struggling or not, but you have just arbitraraly decided that version 2 should be accepted and version 1 should be ignored Manny has always been a diva, like Jones, so of course he was going to start telling lies after the fight to explain away the loss. The same way Jones started claiming that the weight loss was the reason he lost to Tarver and Johnson lie 1: I was unmotivated lie 2: I was dehydrated lie 3: My body had not recovered from cutting 25lbs of pure muscleatsch
Your body never cuts pure fat when you train. It will always cut a percentage of muscle as well. All of those fighters would of had to starve themselves to cut the weight they did especially in that time frame further increasing the rate at which they lost muscle. Of course I am the one who is completely biased here. And you are of course absolutely objective. Objective to the point where you will ignore, explain away, any lies Jones tell. Ignore any source that is not pro-Jones and arbitrarily decide when Jones is telling the truth or notatsch Here we go again. Lets for simplicity sake say that the unofficial weigh was right(I don't believe it was , but I can't be be bothered to go into the reasons why I think that). This means Jones was 196 lbs If Jones had rehydrated properly come fight night against Tarver then he would of been 187 lbs. That's a difference of 9 lbs. The very fact that you now want to include water weight to exaggerate his weight loss really speaks for itself. Now, Jones claims he cut 25 lbs of pure muscle why are you not defending that story?:huh
Yes. Push ups, pull ups, lunges etc ????? And where did you read that? The process of detraining occurs when you reduce the stress on your muscles. Doing nothing is a extreme example, but as I said before he could of used lower stress training like bodyweight training instead and his muscles would of still been shrinking due to detraining Boxing training by its very definiton cuts fat and muscle. All of that running, skipping and bag work will force the body to burn fat and muscle to fuel itself. It's the reason why fighters of yesteryear were taunt and lean. It's the reason why it is so hard for fighters to move up the weight classes naturally. And it's the reason why Jones had to resort to using anabolic steriods to fight at lhw You are going to need to post up a source for this Not even close to being true
You keep on saying this, but how? How could he have boiled down to 175, if he was in the 190's, with hardly any body fat? How can you just lose muscle fast and easy?
Bob Fitzsimmons was a three weight world champion and he actually bested the real champion (twice) for the HW crown, the guy who whooped the fearsome John L. Sullivan. The chap Fitzsimmons lost it to (James J. Jeffries) outweighed him by 39lbs in the first encounter and a whopping 47 lbs in their second one. And despite that huge weigh disparity in the rematch, Fitzsimmons battered Jeffries before getting stopped. "If a non-spectator had seen Jeffries and Fitzsimmons two minutes after the fight Fitz would have been picked the winner. There was not a mark on him, while Jeffries face was bloody and beaten to a pulp. Only Jeffries' stamina and capacity for punishment saved him." -George Siler, noted referee and writer'' That's what I'm talking about.
It's actually not very complicated. Roy Jones Jr was the number one pound-for-pound fighter. We can calmly assume that his training regimen as a SMW and LHW was murderous. That means that the body he had before he moved up to HW was what he got with relentless, tough training. In order for him to bulk up even more, the whole way to HW, I can only imagine two ways: 1. Excessive lift weighting. This means you lift heavier and heavier as your training progress. A basic principle for all athletic training is this: It's easier to improve in the beginning, but the better you get, the harder it will be to improve further. 2. Steroids. I think it's likely he did both. I'm not all that bothered by Roy using illegal stuff, if that's what he did, because I'm convinced it was common among athletes. I also don't think Roy was the kind of boxer who enjoyed hurting others, which I think has been the case with some KO'artists. Since Roy had moved so far away from his natural weight, his body should be quick to return to a more normal constitution. I read your link about shedding muscle, and I don't have a problem to assume Roy did a lot of running, as it's good training for boxers, and won't help him maintain his blown up physique. I figure he also may have changed his diet, since without extreme weight lifting the need for fuel should decrease. It's the self starvation I'm sceptical about, as I think he used it as an excuse for his losses. I would have had easier to buy it if he were to move from, say LHW to MW, because he would then manouver within more natural frames set by his body. I also have hard to believe he was seriously aiming for Corrie Sanders. What would the point be? Sanders was never a big name. Once the fight with Evander Holyfield, which made more sence, fell through, Roy had to chose between big names at his normal weight classes or having himself killed against Lennox Lewis or a Klitschko. Another question for you: It seems like you and the recognized champ of this subject have different opinions about Roys actual weight loss. It can't be so bloody hard to agree what the numbers were. What weight did he have accordning to the scales during the weight-in before each fight?
