Floyd - Paq proves something about Dempsey ..

I think that fight would have been different 5 years before... Both fighters were better then but faded punchers fare far worse than faded boxers.

And by the way, I have watched the fight with both British and Spanish (Central American) commentary. Most folks seemed to think the fight was reasonably close after round 9. When did it suddenly become "a master class"? Mayweather was marginally more successful at stalling and spoiling than Pac was at attacking and landing. May got his taps in and displayed better timing but it was competitive.

 

I guess I missed the "Mayweather's ripping combinations" part of the fight.

I saw lots of jabs and single lead rights landing, but I guess the combinations were so fast, my old eyes just couldn't follow them.

 

he, excellent post. Never occurred to me that between 1920-1926 Jack Dempsey fought a total of 19 rounds...I have it 36 rounds from Billy Miske Sept 6, 1920 to his last fight in S ept. 1923 when he kod Firpo in 1923...Then Dempsey chucked it all , went Hollywood after the Firpo fight for Three long years, without one bout, and fired his manager Jack Kearns, who Dempsey sued in court accusing Kearns of money theft...Dempsey had to be a shell of the man who after he found Jack Kearns in 1918 went on a rampage koing Jim Flynn in 1 round, Fred Fulton 1 rd, Battling Levinsky 3 rds, Gunboat Smith 2 rds, Jess Willard 3 rds, Billy Miske, 3 rds, Bill Brennan,12 rds, Carpentier 4 rds, Decisively decisioned Tommy Gibbons 15 rds , and flattened Luis Angel Firpo 2 rds... This was the Manassa Mauler name given to him by Damon Runyon, who many great boxing figures such as Sam Langford, Mickey Walker, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Ray Arcel and others , called the best heavyweight they had ever seen before the 3 year layoff...Yes his reputation suffers today because of his self imposed layoff, but in his heyday, Dempsey
was one helluva fighter, combining great quickness for a heavyweight, lethal 2 handed short punching power, a great chin
and a kill or be killed ferocity seldom matched in heavyweight annals...cheers...

 

I hate to be that guy but...

:rofl :good

 

On my scorecard Dempsey only won three out of 27 rounds against Tunney and Sharkey. So I don't understand what that proves, that is a poor percentage

 

Pacquiao has far more ring wear than Mayweather at this point in their careers. Mayweather's style also lends itself to greater longevity. Swarmers seem to have much shorter primes.

 

Mayweather played it too close to the margins for it to be a masterclass. He nicked rounds through being highly economic. He did not stamp his authority on the bout. Pacquiao on the other hand has never been great at cutting off the ring and seemed to be wrestling a few demons, hesitant to pounce. This is not to discredit Floyd.

In the first Dempsey-Tunney bout some of the rounds begin with Jack launching himself at the challenger, fully winding up. Gene did himself a favour by quitting newspapers prior to his big moment. Reading of his demise had given him nightmares. Physical strength was the key difference between him and Manny. Tunney could neutralise a jaded Dempsey with movement and solid clinching. Manny's charge was derailed with a cuffing hook.

Jack won more rounds than that commonly flung about 19-1 but the key point, especially in the rematch, is that the rounds were won by smaller margins. Tunney would always remark on how tough Dempsey was to hit clean and indeed, in the footage we've got, you can see the range of movement even a rusty Dempsey retained; fluid lateral movement and unpredictable.

 

So how much credit does a swarmer like Rocky get for chasing down top boxer punchers in moore Charles and Walcott

 

S, to win your point at any price, you CONVENIENTLY omit the fact that Jack Dempsey did not fight for THREE years when he foolishly fought Gene Tunney in 1926. Three long years without ONE tune-up bout is like a lifetime to a fighter for sure. Look what happened to the great Ray Robinson who had just ONE tune-up fight in 3 years against Joe Rindone before he was badly thrashed by a good journeyman Ralph Tiger Jones ???...
Rocky Marciano was in his very considerable prime and sharp as a razor when he beat Moore, Charles and Walcott all in their
thirties and past their great peaks...So Q let us give all the facts
I say...Rocky was also a great fighter, but do you seriously think that after Marciano retired, he decided to make a comeback after a long 3 year layoff and without ONE bout would have caught up to the truly formidable Gene Tunney then at his peak.?
NAY I say...

 

Burt

No one made Dempsey take off three years. He could have fought a few times. Even if the politics of the era ruled out fighting Wills or Godfrey, why not Renault or Weinert, or the European or British Empire champions?

In a comparision of Dempsey and Marciano, I am not going to penalize Marciano for sticking to business, nor give dibs to Dempsey for not sticking to business.

If Dempsey is dropped behind Marciano for being inactive, so be it. He has no one to blame but himself on that one.

 

Are we pretending Mayweather-Pacquiao was a real fight ?

 

It was a REAL, but not a GREAT fight. Excessive hype for a only average spectacle ....