Does a blueprint actually exist to beat Floyd Mayweather, Jr?

Past prime marquez later scored his career defining win.

While I do think Floyd was, if not scared, apprehensive about Pacquiao, there is absolutely nothing in that fight to suggest Pac would beat him 5 years ago.

 

Floyd's uncredited loss to Castillo aside (for which he blamed a shoulder injury and fighting one handed - sounds familiar), his lack of received respect or even the lack of awareness of his existence by many non boxing fans says it all. He's a non entity who will be remembered if he is remembered at all for fighting good fighters well past their prime.

I think there is a good chance given the lack of respect that he no doubt perceives that he will fight longer/come back than he should looking for that glory/respect and start challenging for RJJ's ktfo record. So basically the blueprint in this case is the same as Floyds blueprint - just wait a little.

 

Of course it does it's just there's know one in his weight class/es that has the style/skill to execute it
Ward/Hopkins/Rigo clones at welter give Floyd major headaches

 

People on here cheering for their gods ... disgusting.
now to the topic:
what I see (and I may be all wrong), there is a blueprint to beat him. I'd take lessons from Mosley and Pacquiao.
1. contrary to what most people believe, I wouldn't agree with the "get him to the ropes" strategy. He blocks 90% of the punches there, maybe even more. However it is a way to steal rounds if somebody could do that for 12 rounds, and I mean really mean for 12 rounds, just overwhelming him. And I can't think of a fighter who has the strength, cardio and mentality to do that. Floyd has gotten much physically stronger in the last few years, he can't really be bullied for more than a few rounds. If you look at a few moments from the Pacquiao fight, when Floyd would just block, twist his body and have Manny loosing balance, like he was hitting a wall. The guy is strong.

2. You have to hurt Floyd in the middle of the ring. If you want to do that, you have to pack a punch and most important have speed of a Shane Mosley or Manny Pacquiao. Apart from the shot Maidana landed on the ropes in round 3 or 4 (can't remember) of the second fight, Floyd only got hurt in the middle of the ring. Both big shots by Mosley, Judah, Pacquiao's left in the 4th. So you have to hit him there.

3. Apart from the first Mosley's right hand shot, all other big shots landed on Floyd were counter punches during exchanges. His chin is up and if you catch him then, he'll get hurt. So you have to have the footwork (notice Shane's little bounce before throwing the 1-2 in round 2), the speed and the power to catch Floyd while punching.

4. So now you catch him with the big punch in early rounds. What then? That's the problem a few who were able to hurt him, couldn't solve. Then I think you have to use the Pacquiao gameplan, going forward and not rushing in, making floyd miss and then counter him with a barrage, which Pacquiao hasn't really done, apart from a few times. But I believe it can be done. However this is all theoretically, I don't see a fighter in who could do that now.

So considering all this and a few other points, I believe what is needed is a boxer/puncher. Somebody like prime Shane Mosley (speed, reach, will, chin, power) but with a better jab to create more opportunities to counter/attack Floyd in the centre of the ring. Make him fall behind on cards early (knockdown) in the fight and force him to come after you, something he is not really used to doing ... then exploit that. In other words make him fight your fight (it's what he has made all other fighters do).

My humble opinion

 

Id rather not. You are an utter bore. Have you any idea how pathetic you sound. Heres a tip. Imagine you are standing at a bar and speaking your posts in a loud voice. There can you see how pathetic you would seem. Well thats exactly how you come across on here. You are probably the biggest loser I have ever had any type of contact with. And you are definitely top five all time in the most insecure list. Behind young children. You are like human jenga one slight blow and you end up in pieces on the floor. Get a bloody grip man.

 

Maidana, Ortiz, guerrero, Alvarez weren't prime?

 

Roach's gameplan might have worked. Pac was the wrong person to execute it though.

 

The wrong fighter fighting the right game plan is in no way a feather in the cap for the trainer. Think about it.

 

I concur.

 

Canelo is B Level?

So who's A Level? Because he did better than Pac.

Canelo was a 7 year pro when he fought Floyd. Wins over Trout, Mosley, Lopez, Cintron.

Takes an L against Floyd and then goes 3-0 against Lara, Angulo and Kirkland.

That's a very good win. Canelo is certainly A Level. Not too any guys at 147-154 who Im picking over him.

He's a beautiful boxer and counterpuncher. He just went in against someone who does what he can do, better than he can do it.

He looked like fertilizer against Floyd, and now he's back to looking dominant again. Everyone has their worst performance against him.

 

Yes - there's just nobody of this era capable of executing it.

Maidana got closest to it that I've seen, in the first fight. But he didn't quite get there.

You have to throw over 1000 punches over the 12 rounds, swarming in and out. It wouldn't be pretty in the end, but I think you'd sneak the decision by stealing enough rounds.

As I say though, there's nobody of this era capable of executing that plan.

 

I think people forget sometimes how good floyds chin is.

you need somebody with some crazy good power in their to put him down or out and then also be able to win enough of the rest of the rounds to get the decision.

Hearns might be able to do it and Robinson.

 

yes. fighting legit challengers on even playing field which includes training camp, drug testing, fight venue, referee, judges, and preferred equipments.

 

I don't know about blueprint, but you can tell what elements can frustrate Mayweather:

-Someone naturally larger and stronger than him who's a great inside fighter and knows how to cut the ring off.

- Someone who can effectively get into his chest and not allow him to fight at a distace he's comfortable fighting at.

- Lastly, that person has to have incredible stamina, because it'll require them throwing at least 75 punches per round for all 12 rounds. And once again, most of that has to occur with FLoyd as a stationary target (when he's pinned on the ropes.)

If you allow him to fight at a distance he's comfortable with or allow him to fight anywhere off of the ropes, than chances of beating him decrease exponentially.

And than there's obviously just nailing him with the million dollar 1 punch KO.