The Sport is called Boxing...The Sweet Science.

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  1. Savak

    Savak Guest

    The Tyson style Hit and not get hit is more manly compared to the Floyd method of touch and run.
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson was actually an aggressive counter-puncher in his prime.
     
  3. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By this ****ogy, wouldn't it be score and not get scored on? Just like basketball, the boring Spurs don't care if you find them entertaining.. You're acting like "offence wins fans/games, defence wins championships" is not a saying within sports...

    By this logic, Floyd lost to Canelo too since I'm sure his punches was harder than Floyd's no matter how few hit.. Bradley and Algeri lost to Provo and Pac lost to Clotty or at least a draw...
     
  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yes, it is called boxing, the sport where you get a legalized fight where one man is expected to physically dominate his opponent into submission or unconsciousness, ie not tag.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Here's my rebuttal.:deal

    Far too often I see posters continually writing the same refrain endlessly "The Sweet Science Is The Art of Hit And Not Get Hit."....according to whom, nothing states that in the Marquess Of Queensberry Rules and that was definitely not the intent of the Ancient Sumerians who may have created the sport 5,000 years ago in what is now modern day Iraq, The Paintings on cave walls depict 2 men duking it out, not one running away trying to not get hit. I could never imagine what the people of Babylonia, Assyria and Mesopotamia would think if one of the guys ran away like a coward to lay in wait for a chance to sucker punch the other and ran some more.... rinse and repeat ad nauseam. They beat the hell out of each other until one of them keeled over and most likely died. Because the idea of competing in a sport where macho men went head to head in a battle for supremacy in those cultures I'm sure anyone who ran would be banish by his people for being a coward or more than likely killed for it.

    Then we go to Ancient Greek and Rome anywhere between 4,000 to 3.000 years ago, the Romans were bad asses the Gladiators would come out with their hands wrapped in leather with metal spikes sticking out of their gloves, and of course they beat each other until one of them died, it was a spectator sport held in their massive amphitheaters with the crowd cheering on their guy...in a ring, which is where the term comes from they fought in a ring instead of a square, which is where the term the Squared circle comes from. They banned it around 300 AD for being far too brutal.

    In Ancient Greece they called it pugme or pygmachia which is where the term pugilism comes from, it essentially means fist fighting. The Greeks introduced Boxing gloves, after centuries of just standing naked and pounding each others faces in wearing spiked gloves as well. No one really knows when Boxing first appeared there some say it was the mythical founder of Athens Theseus that created the sport, although it was written in Homer's Iliad, that Mycenaean warriors had boxing competitions held to honor their fallen comrades. The Greeks also introduced punching bags into the equation for practice. Boxers wore leather fingerless gloves and had no protection for their face and head. And my favorite theory is The Spartans thought that helmets were for wussies and boxing got them ready for the shots to the head that they'd receive in battle but they never did it for show, I guess they could be considered the earliest Amateur Boxers or the WSB of the day.

    Mother Russia called the sport Kulachniy Boy which translates into fist fighting as well. As the name they were known as back in the day the Kievan Rus' had Boxing in every different region of the land and each region had different rules and it flourished until the Christians came along and ruined it for everybody by banning it, but it continue to exist in the underground for centuries in various different forms, until it started making a comeback under the founder of St Petersburg, Peter The Great the greatest Russian leader in its history, hence his nickname he was Great. Catherine the Great was pretty cool too, because it made a full fledged return under her.... until the snobby Czar Nicolas II banned it again. Thankfully the Bolsheviks overthrew his boring ass and brought it right back, so you can thank Lenin for Kovalev Klitschko and Golovkin.

    Then the Brits jumped on board when they got sick of sword fighting because it hurt too much when they lost, so along came prize fighting in the 1600's in England and it had no written rules. There wasn't such thing as weight divisions or round limits or refs. Its was pure brutality like the good old days in Rome. But since the stuffy Brits are really obsessed with rules along came Broughton's rules, written by champion Jack Broughton in 1743 since so many fighters were getting killed. And then along came the very well known to us John Douglas, 9th Marquess of Queensberry who actually didn't write The Marquess of Queensberry Rules they were actually written for him by a British Boxer named John Graham Chambers, and The Marquess like the noble d*** he was of course took credit for them. Well here they are.




    To be a fair stand-up boxing match in a 24-foot ring, or as near that size as practicable.
    No wrestling or hugging allowed.
    The rounds to be of three minutes' duration, and one minute's time between rounds.
    If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man.
    A man hanging on the ropes in a helpless state, with his toes off the ground, shall be considered down.
    No seconds or any other person to be allowed in the ring during the rounds.
    Should the contest be stopped by any unavoidable interference, the referee to name the time and place as soon as possible for finishing the contest; so that the match must be won and lost, unless the backers of both men agree to draw the stakes.
    The gloves to be fair-sized boxing gloves of the best quality and new.
    Should a glove burst, or come off, it must be replaced to the referee's satisfaction.
    A man on one knee is considered down and if struck is entitled to the stakes.
    That no shoes or boots with spikes or sprigs be allowed.
    The contest in all other respects to be governed by revised London Prize Ring Rules.


    I don't see anything about The Sweet Science of running, clinching, head-butting or anything of that nature, because there are no rules stating that to be the main objective of a Boxing match, "to hit and not get hit", that's a style of Boxing one of many and it doesn't deserve anymore credit than any of the other of the countless styles implemented by the millions of Boxers that have existed through the ages. So for all of the snobs who act like that is the one true legitimate purest form of Boxing there is, they are deluding themselves. Its a style that was made up in the 20th Century by guys who wanted to be a Boxer but didn't want to get hit. The objective of the sport is to beat your opponent and make them submit by breaking their will or their body and prove that you are the better man, it has always been that way and just because some trainers came up with a way to be slick and win on points without taking any damage, while it may win you a fight you definitely aren't winning in the manly, noble and honorable way like the truly masculine ancients once did, you're kind of winning like a punk.


    So my 2 cents is... for centuries fans both Women and Men have gone to see the Gladiators go into a 1 on 1 War and do battle as a form of entertainment, they go to see this Bloodsport to satiate the Bloodlust that most of us secretly possess. We like seeing guys fight because it feeds that Primordial, Savage, Animalistic, Brutal Testosterone fueled Beast that we all have living inside of us. It makes us feel good about ourselves to know there are men in this world who are still true Warriors far manlier than many of us and will lay their life on the line to provide for their families, and to entertain our stupid asses like the Valiant Heroic Warriors of Old. That is a thing of Macho Beauty. Boxers and fans need to re-find our way back to the manly art of true Boxing Warfare Mano a Mano Fist to Cuffs find our truest almost puerile essence, find our Masculine Warrior Roots and Go Back to the Primitive.
     
  6. Nowitzki4Prez

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    In boxing you have boxing and slugging.
     
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    It's only the mirage of space and time.

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  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent post I couldn't agree more. This fight was always going to be very one sided only wishful thinkers and Pac****s thought otherwise. PBF>Pac period.:deal
     
  10. IsaL

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    If GGG and Wlad are on that list, then Canelo should be on it and ahead of them.
     
  11. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Professor Kirk.:lol::smoke:good
     
  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Have yuo seen Canelo fight?

    Canelo outslicked Trout who had beat Cotto to the punch when the fought.
    Lara who KD Trout and TKO Angulo couldn't even put a scratch on Canelo.
    Angulo who KD Lara TWICE, and Kirkland couldn't land anything clean.
    Kirkland has a very good punch and has KO some good fighters never really hit Canelo clean but once or twice..

    Canelo's D is veryn underrated.
     
  13. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    hugging is not boxing...holding and hitting your opponent is not boxing...

    running and not even throwing a punch is not boxing....it is basically a cowards way to fight...
     
  14. TheDarkLord

    TheDarkLord Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thank god every boxing fan doesnt share your view, because If they did the sport would be dead.
     
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I'm so glad Canelo isn't a runner. But he has very good defense that has proved to neutralize all his opponents best offensive game.