You haven't answered them. I'll put them at the end of this again to do so. George Galloway has funded Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist organisations. Praised Sadaam and Assad and any other eastern dictator he can get an audience with. He is human vile, and I'm happy the people of Bradford West have seen he was using them as an income, while he never attended parliament. Now he's reduced back to being a puppet for Iranian state-owned propaganda Presstv. I'm not at all surprised you like the man. Vietnam is not invalid at all. If you claim Western intervention is the source of violence in the middle east you have to address WHY it didn't happen with Vietnam. It's simple. You can't just assert something because it suits you and claim anything that challenges your bias as "invalid". It's intellectually dishonest. As for Ireland, I never said Islam was the source of ALL evil. You're putting words in my mouth, just like when you accused me of hating all Muslims atsch. Strawman argument. Nobody pretends they don't know the causes of what happened with the IRA and how religion was a catalyst. Explain to me then, what is democracy and why is it the cause of ALL violence like you suggested? :rasta If you have *** with somebody who isn't mature enough physiologically OR emotionally that is abuse, no matter which way you cut it and which century you do it in. People weren't PHYSIOLOGICALLY different a few centuries ago :roflatsch Yeah I've already read that article before, no need to try appeal to authority by citing her credentials. It was just an argument from moral relativism, which I've already pointed out is void. You must have skipped that part :yep So what you're suggesting is we should ignore the calls for beheading infidels, killing jews, killing apostates, killing adulters? When MODERATE muslims start speaking out against these disgusting practices and have a true reformation within the Muslim world, that's when the religion might start to gather some respect. Think of the disrespect scientology gets, yet they have NOTHING about murder and **** in their scripture and don't try an silence anybody who suggests it's bull****. The fact you blame people like me, who just point out what's wrong with the religion and what needs to change, for ****ing Islamic terrorism shows you're an apologist and an utter piece of ****. Islam doesn't deserve respect. It's a set of ideas that are outdated by over a millennium. Just like the other abrahamic religions. However, curious how any noise - be it silencing free speech, threatening to kill or just full-out murder - is seemingly only coming from ONE of those three religions. atsch Don't forget to answer the following:
His testicles are shrinking to the point of taking on the shape of a labia. This is the result of testosterone depletion which is a late symptom of Douchebagism. This disease is no laughing matter. Contact Pimp C for support group locations in your area.
Keep my name outta your mouth *****.:nono Don' get mad at be because you thought a guy with no jab fights at one range with no ring IQ can't cut off the ring and is a sucker for right hands could beat the most complete and best boxer of this era in PBF. You were proven wrong, you don't know **** about the sport and don't know real talent when you see it hater. Log off now or get further embarrassed.
Didn't he choke up when giving the conclusion to Dinamita vs Pacman 4? I like the guy's passion, at least he shows some goddamn enthusiasm and gets involved with the drama, tension and emotions that fly around the ring, I don't see what there is worthy to call him a testicle-less manly man... he is invested in this sport and there's nothing wrong with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLk3z4Yvxpo
Ever heard of Tony Blair and the handshake with Gaddafi - or Donald Rumsfeld and the meeting with "his excellency" Saddam Hussein? Politicians switch sides. Oh and you might have recently seen a little news story about Prince Charles and the IRA. Yet again you show what a complete fool you are! You know nothing about world politics. Terrorist scumbag leader one day - shaking hands the next. And your **** anout moderate muslims speaking out??? Everytime a moderate muslim tries to speak out the ****ing media put some sheep ****er on like Anjam Choudhry or an ISIS spokesperson and claims its a muslim perspective and then idiots like you assume that is what islam is. And you do attack all muslims by attacking their beliefs - dont pretend youre a muslim lover now because this whole exchange was sparked by your racist claims. Why dont you focus on pointing out what needs to change in the western world and get to the root of terrorism instead of pointing out the final effect of it. Why dont you point out the wrongs that our government has done? Seeing as they started their invasions of the middle east purely for oil. Im going to post a picture I saw in the guardian today about the worlds terrorism hotspots. Very interesting how they are all oil producing regions or regions that have been ****ed with by the west. You dont see terrorism in any country that isnt oppressed. Oppression breeds terrorism. Not Islam or any other religion. Opression. Simple as that. Nelson Mandela and the black south africans were oppressed - terrorists one day, hero's 25 years later. Youre a complete idiot You wana point out the wrongs in the world start by looking at yourself. And i love how you expect people to just dismiss the article I posted and take on your view because you said so. Youre a clown. Haha! IM backing my arguments up with fact. You're backing your arguments up with bull**** and hatred. And yet again - ive answered your questions - read my answers and understand. But post your already rebutted questions again because they look quite pretty on the page.
Before I refute your drivel, I'll deal with your accusations of racism and bigotry. I have never accused all Muslims as being terrorists. Not even the biggest skinhead in the EDL can honestly say that's true. You're trying to charge me with that as it's a cheap, easy way of trying to refute my points. It won't work. Not all Christians are pro-life nutcases, but that's not to say Christianity raises issues when it comes to abortion. This is the same with Islam. It's useful to consider that if Islam doesn't allow for terrorism in its doctrine, what must that say about the nature of the Muslim world? Are you suggesting there's a disproportionate amount of psychopaths among Muslims that has nothing to do with their religion? The only person who seems angry, bitter and bigotted here is you, for all your insults, capital and bold font type and ad hominem attacks. But I don't hold it against you. I understand it must be frustrating when intellectually out of your depth. I forgive you. Tony Blair and Rumsfeld were statesman. In case you know absolutely nothing about diplomacy I'll inform you that pragmatism is an essential part of it. George Galloway is not and was never a statesmen. His giving money to terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas, and kissing the feet of genocidal dictators like Sadaam and Assad, were at least to improve his profile in his constituency, conning them into thinking he represents them in the Commons, when in truth he never even bothered showing up. Not that any of this is relevant if it WERE true. It's like trying to discount the fact Ted Bundy was a serial killer by pointing at Jeffery Dahmer. :rofl I do agree they give these Islamists too much air time, but not for an agenda like you conspiracy theorists think. It's much more simple than that. It's for ratings. Drama = ratings. The thing about Andrew Choudhry is that he isn't really an extremist, more a literalist. He is a result of following the qu'ran and the hadiths LITERALLY. That tells you all you need to know about the doctrine. So you think criticism of a religion should not be allowed? Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia or Iran. Criticism of beliefs is absolutely integral to a healthy society. Where are the groups of Mormons protesting against "The Book of Mormon" which you can't walk 10 minutes around anywhere in Zone 1 of London without coming across a poster for? Why aren't the Mormons going into the Prince of Wales theater and shooting everyone inside and screaming blasphemy. Where are the psuedo-liberals like Glenn Greenwald and Reza Aslan proclaiming it's racist and bigoted? Islam takes pride in using offense as a tool to silence it's critics. It's a farce, and luckily the west is starting to realise it. It's just a damn shame it's taken this long. The fact that you think the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was purely for oil means you really are a graduate of Google.com. Perhaps you were a fan of Sadaam using chemical weapons as ethnic cleansing and the Taliban keeping Afghanistan into a theocratic nightmare? Cool please do. Remember to cite your sources. Not sure if they teach that at Google University. Does Google University have it's own style referencing system? Yep, you're right - oppression breeds terrorism. I never claimed it didn't. However, when taken literally, Islam is oppressive. Additionally, are you more or less likely to blow yourself up to kill others if you believe you'll be rewarded in an afterlife and are doing the bidding of your god? Honest question and thus I don't expect an answer to this either. Yep. It's definitely wrong to point out the flaws of an ideology. It's the bane of this planet and will be it's demise. :thinkatschatsch I don't expect anything of anybody. I dismissed that article on the basis that it attempts to argue for moral relativism. It's pretty simple: If god is all knowing and all powerful, you cannot pretend that the prophet of said god is ignorant about what is or isn't harmful for children. In light of this, god is either powerless or doesn't care. Which is it? I don't expect an answer. Nope you haven't. I've looked through all the posts again and you only challenged the Aisha problem. If you have, please point me to where you have, preferably with quotes of you doing so. Or if it's easier for you you can just answer them below. Some of them require no more than a few words at most: I've given you the opportunity to show me where you answered them or reanswer them yourself. If you fail to do so you will be exposed for all to see. So please consider :good
Whats the penalty for apostasy in Islam? Whats the penalty for Stealing in Islam? What's the punishment for adultery in Islam? Why do you keep on ignoring these questions?
I'll save him the trouble of replying... "you're a bigot, a racist and you know nothing of Islam. White people are paedophiles and Christanity has killed people. You are a slave to western media and people like you are as bad as terrorists because you make them" Something like that.
Those sure look like the 10 commandments. I guess the difference is in some religions you can break the almighty's rules and repent for infinity and in some you can't. Why have a religion at all if the rules don't mean anything? Religions are BS anyway. How stupid does it sound, "God will deliver Floyd to my hands" Really? Are you that special that God favors you?
In Christianity some Jew turns up and tells everybody to ignore those commandments and to be nice to each other. Mohammed just conquered and murdered and ****d. Both are fairy tales anyway.
Again - showing your total lack of understanding of religion. Jesus and Muhammed both promoted the exact same thing. General peace and love to your fellow man regardless of creed. colour. race or religion and violence towards your enemies. They both lived in times where violence was the answer to everything and needed to preach violence to protect themselves. Look at the crusades. The crusaders massacred millions of people in the name of christ. I dont think christ was very happy about that and now you have muslims beheading people and i dont think muhammed is very happy about that either. Religion, just like democracy or any other ideology can be manipulated and used. You my good friend are a perfect example of someone who sadly, is manipulated into thinking that religion is the cause of evil and that islam is the most evil of all religions. When the truth is that ALL religons, if followed correctly and moderately offer people a peaceful and happy way to live. Earlier I posted a load of horrifically violent quotations from the bible. You ignored them which shows that youre so keen to pain Islam as a vile religion youre blind to the fact that it shares 95% of its teachings with christianity. So here is how im going to end this discussion once and for all. 1. You can be racist against a religion - like you are and like jim lampley was - At least you can in the Europe. Here is my source - "Racism can also include discriminatory behaviours and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes." - Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union Article 21 2. Muhammad was not a ********** according to the social norm of 1500 years ago. He did not **** a pre ****scent child, he married a young woman who had begun her period and lived with her and cared for her and loved her as his wife until the end of his life. Nowadays girls enter ****rty later which is why the consent age in Spain TODAY is 13 (which i personally think is too ****ing young but hey - democracy right?). Humans live longer too. a girl aged 9 1500 years ago was already a 5th into her life - most died in their 50s. Backed up by the studies of an Oxford, Cambridge and Georgetown British scholar - read the article again and be educated on history and how humans have evolved since then. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth 3. Terrorism is ****ing abhorrent and is not the answer to anything at all. Ever. Killing innocent people is banned by every religion especially islam. The quran and muhammed explicitly says that killing an innocent is like killing all of humanity and that other religions should be protected and be left in peace. War is to be conducted on the battlefield. Violent teachings in the bible torah and quran are not to be used as justification for killing people willy nilly and were specific instructions for war. People who use religon as an excuse to kill are not true followers of their religion. The same way that america uses democracy as an excuse to go and bomb the **** out of over 24 countries since WW2 (all oil producing countries that are either communist, south american or muslim) https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945 4. The foreign policy of the west regarding the theft of oil has unequivocally fuelled unrest and terrorism in the muslim world and the middle east. People dont like being bombed, killed, enslaved and having their resources stolen and so the uneducated ones amongst them decide to try and hit back by any means. Usually terrorism. Add to this, misguided religious interpretation and voila, you have islamic extremism. A normal peaceful muslim does not shout allahu akbar and go blow himself up for the **** of it. Dont you dare ever, try use the example of these misguided, frustrated, evil people and pass that off as being a muslim. It makes you look so stupid its humiliating to share an online forum with you. And with regards to Saddam and his chemical weapons - ever heard of the missing dossier? Funny how not a single WMD was ever found there - i cant really believe that you think oil wasnt involved! Your ignorance is ****ing hilarious 5. The university of google - what is that about? I use the internet to pull together online sources. As i did at law school and university. Would you prefer me to go to a library and pull out an actual copy of a book and scan it online to show you? You should become familiar with it. Seeing as you dont quote a single source except your own delusions. 6. Ive told you already i answered your questions. However. Let me show you what christianity teaches about the death penalty Murder - Death (Exodus 21:12), Kidnapping - Death (Exodus 21:16), Bestiality - Death (Exodus 22:19), Adultery - Death (Leviticus 20:10), *******uality - Death (Leviticus 20:13), Being a false prophet - Death (Deuteronomy 13:5), Prostitution and **** - Death (Deuteronomy 22:24) The bible promotes the death penalty more than the Quran. So yet again - your point is ****ing invalid. Now go take your ignorant, misguided racist views somewhere else :hi:
Jesus reformed the Old Testament. Nobody reformed Mohammed's words which is why they remain so abhorrent. If you would actually answer the questions I asked, rather than exposing yourself and dodging them like the rat you are, you would see that not all religions are equally peaceful. What does Islam say about adultery, apostacy, having *** with 9 year old girls and infidels/kaffirs? Moderates, god bless them, IGNORE these horrible parts of Islam and take their moral guidence OUTSIDE of the religion - secular morality. This is proof that LITERALISM of a religion is the problem. The fundamentals of Islam are the problem with fundamental Islam. You'll ignore this too. Yep, Christianity is a load of bull**** too. Literalists find justification to blow up abortion clinics and hate *******uals. That's as extreme as it goes though. Every passage you quoted before and in this message is from the OLD TESTAMENT. Luckily for Christianity Jesus reformed the religion which exists in the form of the NEW Testament. Nope you can't. Just like you can't be racist against Conservatives or Liberals. Religion is an Ideology, and it is free to be hated by anybody, anywhere (so long as you don't go too far east). You can't even be racist against Muslims, because they don't belong to a particular ethnicity. You can discriminate against a religious group, which is what you're accusing me of. So, please show me where I have discriminated against Muslims in anything that I have said. Remember, criticisming an ideology does not count for discriminating against those that beleive in it. If I said Liberalism is a farce and bull****, would liberals be up in arms shouting "RACISM!" and call for my freedom of speech to be stopped? Doubtful. Not sure where from the Google University Library you got that article from, but here is the ACTUAL article you tried to quote: Source: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:12012P/TXT Already addressed this. Which you aptly ignored. You claim "nowadays people enter ****ty later". Are you suggesting a physiological change over a milennia? I would absolutely LOVE a source for that. Peer-reviewed scientific study, please. :roflatsch I take it you don't quite understand how evolution works. Do you not learn? I've already told you pointing a figure at a perpetrator to detract from the crimes committed in the name of Islam is a diversion tactic that will not work. How intellectually challenged/dishonest can you be? Again, could you please make a direct connection between democracy and how that CAUSES bombing campaigns. I'll wait. :nut Killing innocent people is condemned in the Qu'ran, but innocent is a very flexible term and clearly doesn't apply to "disbelievers" or anybody who commits adultery. Yawn. Not once did I claim western intervention wasn't a problem. The point was that western intervention didn't cause Vietnamese to be "misguided, frustrated and evil" and start blowing themselves up. You have an obligation to investigate why this is if you are going to charge the west with your masochistic bull****. Saddam DID have chemical weapons, he used them on Iranian's and Kurds. He then refused to comply with UN inspection regulation, arousing massive suspicion and rightly so. When intelligence is being fed to Mi6 and the pentagon about Saddam developing WMDs, a man who has had a history of using them against Iranians and Kurds and genocide his own people and THEN refuses obligatory inspection, what was the right thing to do? Iraq was integral to the stability of the region (Iran had just gone bat**** crazy with its Islamic revolution). The funniest part is, Saddam was actually integral to the ongoing 'ceasefire' and stability between the Shias and Sunnis. The coalition led invasion was met with waving American flags and general praise for toppling the Hussein crime family. What happened next was the cause for MOST of the civilian causalities in the entire conflict. The United States had disbanded the Republican Guard and a bureaucratic error left a large, disbanded, well trained army out of work and pay. Do you remember what happened next? The religious leaders took advantage of this instability and caused a civil war. It was a joke at you assuming I got all of my information from 'google' about Islam. The fact of the matter is the majority of my knowledge on the topic comes from my late grandmother and my father. The former was born in the Punjab region of India, and the latter is an apostate of Islam.
If you have answered them, then I really can't find them. I've looked very hard. Like I've said already, this being the third time : Either quote your answers or retype them. They need not be longer than a single word some of them. You're just really embarrassing yourself and it's doing nothing for your credibility. As for those quotes. Yep, Christianity is ****ty too. At least they have the benefit of Jesus telling them to pay attention to the NEW testament, and not the old. :nut Feel free to answer this and save your credibility. It just makes you look like you've totally conceded :roflatschnut
