Wladimir Klitschko vs Joe Frazier -- you know this is gonna be divided.

Wlad definitely knocks him out early. No disrespect to Frazier he's one of the best of all time.

No 6 foot 205 pound fighter in history would beat a prime Wlad

 

I agree on your points, but I think he was 5-11.

 

Vlad obviously wins, because he is bigger and heavier. He crushes Dempsey and Louis, too. Of course, Ali defies the laws of physics and crushes Vlad, because Ali never loses.

 

:rofl:nod:hey

 

Frazier only fought one big puncher and he floored him multiple times. That was Foreman who had no problems what so ever reaching or hitting him.

The second best puncher Frazier fought was likely Oscar Bonevena. Bonevena floored Frazier twice, and nearly stopped him according to Frazier’s own words. Scored on the modern ten-point must system, the fight is a draw.

Wlad has more skills, speed and ranger than either Foreman or Bonevena. Wlad's defense is very good. He's extremely hard to hit cleanly due to his high guard, foot work, and mastery of distance.

In addition Wlad is much taller. Frazier would have to get in very close to land anything, and if he’s in range, Wlad can clinch him and ret-set as easily as Ali did perhaps even easier due to his weight advantage over Frazier which would be about 40 pounds of muscle.

Frazier has a puncher’s chance, but I don’t see him winning. Wlad via 4th to 7th round TKO.

 

As we saw from the Povetkin fight , Wlad does not have the skills to out box Sasha - he wouldn't have the skills to out box Frazier.

Sure he couldn't lean and choke hold him to the point of exhaustion with his own ref in place , but in a clean match Wlad doesn't land a glove on Frazier.

He lacks the fundamental component to tackle a pressure fighter like Frazer.
Inside game and an uppercut. And he has no chin. None.

If Foreman wasn't as fearless and didn't carry such a brutal bolo punch to nufily Frazier - it may have been a different outcome.

Buster Douglas wouldn't have beaten Tyson without his inside game and uppercut.

Wlad wouldn't have beaten Frazier with nothing but a pawing jab and sporadic right hand.

Haye was 210 pound and got past Wlads arsnal for 12 whole rounds and he wasn't as quick as Frazier.

 

In fantasy Klitschko land , Wlad knocks out Frazer.

In reality Wlad couldn't knockout the late starter Jennings who had no more than 40 fights. Amateur and pro combined.

 

Frazier in the modern era is Ruslan Chagaev. Wladimir RTD him in 9 rounds back in 2009.

 

Despite the two losses to Foreman he had the two victories over Bonavena suggesting he can take a certain amount of power, just maybe not a George Foreman amount of power, which it's likely that Wlad Klitschko has based on his knockout record. But despite possibly short selling Frazier's punch resistance, I think you might also be short selling his ability to fight taller guys. He beat Ali and Buster Mathis who are both 6'3" and he beat Joe Bugner who is 6'4". I agree that Frazier gets knocked out in this fight, but I think he makes it more competitive than you say.

 

Klitschko is not in Frazier's class. and his substantial size advantage is not enough to overcome said class gulf. Frazier's got a lot of attributes which don't bode well for Klitschko.

 

A quick " troll check "will show you Povetkin did not win a round! Check the punch stats and they will show you Wlad landed Povetkin by 139 to 52. Over double. Povetkin was floored multiple times, and the fight took place in his back yard.

IMO, Povetkin is more durable than Frazier.

 

Outside of a left hook ( Wlad's is more powerfull ) what can you say Frazier does better? Frazier did not have much or a right hand or jab, and seldom uppercuted. He's a one trick pony.

Wlad has a high guard to take away the hook, and that's Frazier best and only meaningful punch.

It is fact that Frazier was down in the mid rounds vs. a fleshy Buster Mathis, who though much larger than Frazier is not nearly in Wlad's class.

The other big guy Frazier fought was Bugner, who was very defensive. The scoring in the match was close. The fight is best remembered for two things. Frazier's pink shorts, and Bugner landing his first and only hard shot which visibly shook Frazier. I think it was round 11.

So there you have it. Frazier did not box well vs much larger men. Mathis and Bugner are not close to Wlad's skills, speed or power level.

What's going to happen to Frazier when Wlad lands?

 

Povetkin is a nothing. Frazier undisputed hwt champion at a time where being the champion meant something. Frazier holds a win over Ali a feat Povetkin would have no chance of duplicating.

Frazier at his best was an animal in demeanor and a machine in performance. The night he beat Ali in 1971 he would be a tough fighter for anyone to beat.

 

I would favor Vlad but it is no sure thing, if we are talking about the FOTC Frazier or the Foreman version, different guy. Frazier could also get to Vlad early or late. If I had to bet I would bet Vlad depending on the odds but Frazier is alive with his hook